Hits, takeaways, etc. Garbage stats when comparing guys from different teams. Maybe you can make the case for comparing guys on the same team.
- Atomic Wedgie

He had twice as many takeaways as both Landeskog and Stastny, two highly regarded defensive players.

You want to use McClement as an example? Last year, he had 34 takeaways in 80 games for the Avalanche. This year, he has 7 in 17. Pretty much identical by ratio.

There is no way in hell he's anywhere near Doug Gilmour. That's not even a logical discussion. O'Reilly is a 2nd line center. Offensively, he just don't have the creativity or the talent to be more than that.
- Two_For_Truth

Somone put up comparison stats.. saying Gilmour started slow... LOL.. I was the first to make fun of that person.... his slow was 50 pts...

That is the only reason others bring it up.. in a sarcatic way.

You had me until you mentioned Liles.. not too expensive.. and stability at the backend.. he is in the press box because of his stability.
- DoctorNHL

Liles is getting benched because the Leafs have too many guys that are either NHL caliber or currently playing like it. Doesn't change the fact that Liles is a relatively affordable veteran who the Avalanche have a lot of experience with.

Somone put up comparison stats.. saying Gilmour started slow... LOL.. I was the first to make fun of that person.... his slow was 50 pts...

That is the only reason others bring it up.. in a sarcatic way.
- DoctorNHL

Different era, though.

50 points back then wasn't the same as 50 points today.

Because they would be willing to pay him close to 4 million when they won't pay the greatest youngest 2 way centre in the world, the next Dougie Gilmour 4.5 million (yes I know he asked 5 million but he probably would have signed for 4.5)
- jribout

Somone put up comparison stats.. saying Gilmour started slow... LOL.. I was the first to make fun of that person.... his slow was 50 pts...

That is the only reason others bring it up.. in a sarcatic way.
- DoctorNHL

Yeah, Dougie got 50 points playing behind a 100 point centre and 2nd line minutes. Ryan O'Reilly got 50 points playing first line minutes.

Take a look at my edit, I like O'Reilly, always have.
- LeafMan

I'm not saying "get O'Reilly only because he led the league in takeaways last year". But it's something worth considering. At 21 years old, whether the numbers are slightly exaggerated or not, you can tell his two-way game is years ahead of it's time. It usually takes guys a solid five years to do what he's already capable of doing.

It's not that O'reilly isn't worth his salt, the cost to obtain him is the issue.
- A_Tree

Oh definitely, we have to keep the 1st and Rielly, to me it is a no go if they are asked for.

We have 3 2nd line centers... for all the depth on defence we don't have a 60 pt guy.. and Gardiner could be that...

Also if we don't make the playoffs.. we have a shot at Mac.. who would start next season.
- DoctorNHL

Mac was a 4th line center on a world junior team. Don't think he will be ready come next year. Not in a top two center position.

I'm not saying "get O'Reilly only because he led the league in takeaways last year". But it's something worth considering. At 21 years old, whether the numbers are slightly exaggerated or not, you can tell his two-way game is years ahead of it's time. It usually takes guys a solid five years to do what he's already capable of doing.
- Two_For_Truth

If there is a deal that makes sense, I would love to see him in a Leaf's jersey.

Somone put up comparison stats.. saying Gilmour started slow... LOL.. I was the first to make fun of that person.... his slow was 50 pts...

That is the only reason others bring it up.. in a sarcatic way.
- DoctorNHL

I respect the fact that you don't want to part with Gardiner or Kadri for RoR. But lets be fair to RoR too. Gardiner was 21 when he put up 30 pts ...and RoR was 20 when he put up 55 pts ...its not fair to compare a 21 yr old rookie to an 18 yr rookie. I'd never compare anybody to Gilmour but just to be clear ...Dougie had 53 pts as a 20 yr old and played in the roaring 80's which were dynamite for offensive stats.

To be clear ...no RoR is not Dougie ...no way no how. But is he M. Richards? is he Backes? Bergeron? If so I've got Gardiner on the table.

I love it here, we're fawning over other teams guys all the time....I want to see MORE LOVE FOR KADRI! Dropping the gloves last night, sort've...fricking refs getting in the way

I love it here, we're fawning over other teams guys all the time....I want to see MORE LOVE FOR KADRI! Dropping the gloves last night, sort've...fricking refs getting in the way
- mykokes

You go where the convo takes you, but as many of us have said, he just needed a chance,

If there is a deal that makes sense, I would love to see him in a Leaf's jersey.
- LeafMan

I think the deal that makes the most sense for the Leafs is to try and move Grabovski for something and then package that with Liles.

The absolute furthest the Leafs should go is Kadri for O'Reilly, one for one. They would be giving up offensive talent for an all around player but in the long run, guys like O'Reilly make a bigger impact on winning teams because of the two-way game and intangibles.

Mac was a 4th line center on a world junior team. Don't think he will be ready come next year. Not in a top two center position.
- faceto27

Duchene didn't even make the world junior team.
Don't put any stock in how 17 year olds are used for Canada in that tournament.

I love it here, we're fawning over other teams guys all the time....I want to see MORE LOVE FOR KADRI! Dropping the gloves last night, sort've...fricking refs getting in the way
- mykokes

only way O'Reilly improves the Leafs down the middle is if they still have Kadri, so they have to find a different way

I love it here, we're fawning over other teams guys all the time....I want to see MORE LOVE FOR KADRI! Dropping the gloves last night, sort've...fricking refs getting in the way
- mykokes

You can never satisfy the sea of blue.

only way O'Reilly improves the Leafs down the middle is if they still have Kadri, so they have to find a different way
- bobbyisno1

Word big bird

I think the deal that makes the most sense for the Leafs is to try and move Grabovski for something and then package that with Liles.

The absolute furthest the Leafs should go is Kadri for O'Reilly, one for one. They would be giving up offensive talent for an all around player but in the long run, guys like O'Reilly make a bigger impact on winning teams because of the two-way game and intangibles.
- Two_For_Truth

The Av's will do better than Liles, + for RoR. Somebody will put a good young PMD on the table.

You can never satisfy the sea of blue.
- A_Tree

As a Leaf fan this reminds me of a Burt Bacharach song.

Blue on blue,
Heartache on heartache.

I think the deal that makes the most sense for the Leafs is to try and move Grabovski for something and then package that with Liles.

The absolute furthest the Leafs should go is Kadri for O'Reilly, one for one. They would be giving up offensive talent for an all around player but in the long run, guys like O'Reilly make a bigger impact on winning teams because of the two-way game and intangibles.
- Two_For_Truth

Personally, I think it starts with Gardiner, from there I don't have a clue what the other pieces would be.

only way O'Reilly improves the Leafs down the middle is if they still have Kadri, so they have to find a different way
- bobbyisno1

Gardiner and Bozak for RoR.

RoR Kadri, Grabo down the middle

only way O'Reilly improves the Leafs down the middle is if they still have Kadri, so they have to find a different way
- bobbyisno1

Considering the Leafs roster and prospects and watching Kadri play the past month ...I think he's moved ahead of Gardiner on the "hard to move" list.

Given the Avs roster I think they'd be more interested in a dman than another skilled centre as well.

I think the deal that makes the most sense for the Leafs is to try and move Grabovski for something and then package that with Liles.

The absolute furthest the Leafs should go is Kadri for O'Reilly, one for one. They would be giving up offensive talent for an all around player but in the long run, guys like O'Reilly make a bigger impact on winning teams because of the two-way game and intangibles.
- Two_For_Truth

Kadri stays.

If for no other reason than he is the first Leafs draft pick that has been developed properly since...well, since ever.

Gardiner and Bozak for RoR.

RoR Kadri, Grabo down the middle
- faceto27

prefer to keep Bozak, try and unload Grabs