- mhp

I need to change that to MIKE GLENNON!

I gotta laugh now because the Yankees will make me cry very soon.
- SABRES 89

the yankees are everything thats wrong with baseball.

were the fans pushing the "roy is a cancer" thing? i dont remember hearing it a lot from the organization.

the fans were obviously just being optimistic. i really dont think theres some type of conspiracy at play.
- Putzfrau

Of course the organization was. Ruff publicly called him out and Roy fired back. Then they traded him. Don't get me wrong, I was fine with him leaving. The point is that he was another Ruff scapegoat. Just like Pominville will become.

I made the Roy point earlier and its totally valid. Would be curious to see Roys faceoff stats too.
- sambarugh

We were over 50% today and I know it was exactly 50% against Pittsburgh on Sunday. So that excuse isn't even a valid one at this point.

the yankees are everything thats wrong with baseball.
- Putzfrau

opinions vary

Don't blame the Yankees, the Jays, Angles, Marlins, Braves and Dodgers to name a few have all done it.

I made the Roy point earlier and its totally valid. Would be curious to see Roys faceoff stats too.
- sambarugh

47.642 faceoff win % in 11 games played.

http://sportsnetics.com/c...t/-season--/Derek-Roy-174

Steve Ott brings a certain type of game that the Sabres needed. Yes its a lower scoring game than Roy, but its much phyically in your face game he brings. He's already becoming one of the faces of the franchise in the locker room. Its the other members of the team that are failing in scoring, Hecht, Stafford, Foligno, Gerbe. You can't have lines 3 and 2 with almost no scoring and expect results.

I need to change that to MIKE GLENNON!
- SABRES 89

Yes you do.

I made the Roy point earlier and its totally valid. Would be curious to see Roys faceoff stats too.
- sambarugh

They aren't great, but he's better than Hodgson and Ennis

Of course the organization was. Ruff publicly called him out and Roy fired back. Then they traded him. Don't get me wrong, I was fine with him leaving. The point is that he was another Ruff scapegoat. Just like Pominville will become.
- sbroads24

sorry, i'm not buying into this conspiracy theory you're pushing. ruffs "behavior" is plainly apparent in the way the team plays. there's no scapegoating that. people have been blaming him for years. i doubt the organization removed roy because of ruff. they probably just saw an obnoxious party boy that wasn't doing anyone any help in the locker room, so they moved him.

i doubt at any point it was this calculated plan to pull the wool over our eyes.

Steve Ott brings a certain type of game that the Sabres needed. Yes its a lower scoring game than Roy, but its much phyically in your face game he brings. He's already becoming one of the faces of the franchise in the locker room. Its the other members of the team that are failing in scoring, Hecht, Stafford, Foligno, Gerbe. You can't have lines 3 and 2 with almost no scoring and expect results.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Ott is good. No complaints about him. Are we better off without Roy? Worse? Or exactly the same?

Steve Ott brings a certain type of game that the Sabres needed. Yes its a lower scoring game than Roy, but its much phyically in your face game he brings. He's already becoming one of the faces of the franchise in the locker room. Its the other members of the team that are failing in scoring, Hecht, Stafford, Foligno, Gerbe. You can't have lines 3 and 2 with almost no scoring and expect results.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Ott is good. No complaints about him. Are we better off without Roy? Worse? Or exactly the same?

opinions vary

Don't blame the Yankees, the Jays, Angles, Marlins, Braves and Dodgers to name a few have all done it.
- SABRES 89

i have no idea what you are referring to by mentioning those teams.

Steve Ott brings a certain type of game that the Sabres needed. Yes its a lower scoring game than Roy, but its much phyically in your face game he brings. He's already becoming one of the faces of the franchise in the locker room. Its the other members of the team that are failing in scoring, Hecht, Stafford, Foligno, Gerbe. You can't have lines 3 and 2 with almost no scoring and expect results.
- Buffalo--Sabres

So trade a winger for him. We were thin at center and we traded a 2C for a 3W.

They aren't great, but he's better than Hodgson and Ennis
- Pierceme69

CH 44.444 faceoff win % in 17 games played.

TE 42.268 faceoff win % in 17 games played.

They aren't great, but he's better than Hodgson and Ennis
- Pierceme69

Hodgson is at 45%. Not much of a difference than Roy.

Ott is good. No complaints about him. Are we better off without Roy? Worse? Or exactly the same?
- sbroads24

At best, they'd be exactly the same.

Ott is good. No complaints about him. Are we better off without Roy? Worse? Or exactly the same?
- sbroads24

better off, in my opinion. scoring isn't our problem. soft centers isn't our problem. roys faceoff numbers aren't good enough to make up for our faceoff problem.

i'd argue vanek plays worse with roy than without him.

Yes you do.
- mhp

I'd like to see them draft him but I doubt it, either the Sabres or Bills are killing me.

Ott is good. No complaints about him. Are we better off without Roy? Worse? Or exactly the same?
- sbroads24

I just think 2 years in a row Roy got hurt, the team improved, they learned to live without him.

I just think 2 years in a row Roy got hurt, the team improved, they learned to live without him.
- Buffalo--Sabres

And he was their leading scorer by far that year up until he got hurt.

47.642 faceoff win % in 11 games played.

http://sportsnetics.com/c...t/-season--/Derek-Roy-174
- RynoBull

That would put him 2nd on the Sabres at center behind Cody McCormick who has taken almost 200 less faceoffs.

They aren't great, but he's better than Hodgson and Ennis
- Pierceme69

Vanek 75.0 faceoff win % in 16 games played.

So trade a winger for him. We were thin at center and we traded a 2C for a 3W.
- Pierceme69

our wingers blow. who is there beyond vanek/pom.

stafford doesnt score. foligno isn't here to put up 60 points. the third and fourth lines can't be counted on for points.

we have one good winger and another decent one. after that its trash and 20 year olds.

So trade a winger for him. We were thin at center and we traded a 2C for a 3W.
- Pierceme69

Its like I said a few pages ago. Its poor planning. These are professionals with an unlimited budget and this is what we got.