Yes it would. My sarcastic comment was about how I imagine Tambi would view it; not about the improvement in the standings but getting yet another 1st rounder. IF he was smart, in that situation, he would trade that 1st for a mature, experienced player that can help move the young kids forward.
Again, just my opinion, but I think the Oil are getting perilously close to achieving a losing environment again.
Rebuilds take years (5) to come to fruition, it doesn't happen in a year or two. That's not realistic, even after Pittsburgh drafted Malkin and Crosby, who are generational type players, it took them four years to make a run at it.
Same goes for Mario, eight years after he was drafted they won. Takes time! - LeftCoaster
You're not wrong. It definitely gives some validity to the idea of trying to re-tool and get younger on the fly though. Much easier on fans (and owners) when they can still walk into the rink with hope for a win night in and night out.
If you're going to chirp, atleast get it right. The Isles lost to the Flyers, not the Hawks. Big surprise the oilers aren't good enough. Still weak on the back end.
You're not wrong. It definitely gives some validity to the idea of trying to re-tool and get younger on the fly though. Much easier on fans (and owners) when they can still walk into the rink with hope for a win night in and night out. - jtommyt
Once you establish your "core" guys, you need to build around them. Detroit was able to attract a boat load of free agents to continually re-tool. Edmonton is not there yet, nor do they have generational type players.
If you're going to chirp, atleast get it right. The Isles lost to the Flyers, not the Hawks. Big surprise the oilers aren't good enough. Still weak on the back end. - Vandi
Leave it to the Canucks fans to make that a focal point... Colin, please correct it for our friends from the coast? (and the transplants...sorry Vandi, missed the AB)
Rebuilds take years (5) to come to fruition, it doesn't happen in a year or two. That's not realistic, even after Pittsburgh drafted Malkin and Crosby, who are generational type players, it took them four years to make a run at it.
Same goes for Mario, eight years after he was drafted they won. Takes time! - LeftCoaster
Sure, but the Pens showed improvement over that period. They weren't stuck in the basement the entire time until they won.
Who cares if calgary made the playoffs more in the past decade they barely limped into most of those playoffs I'd rather years of pain then after suffering ten yrs of not just making th e playoffs but having a real chance to win the cup... who cares if you make the playoffs if your going to lose out first round anyways. And I wouldn't consider jankowski a good prospect yet just cause he was drafyed early
If you're going to chirp, atleast get it right. The Isles lost to the Flyers, not the Hawks. Big surprise the oilers aren't good enough. Still weak on the back end. - Vandi
I think size up front is the bigger issue but what do I know
Sure, but the Pens showed improvement over that period. They weren't stuck in the basement the entire time until they won. - TandA4Flames
No they didn't for the first few years, 2002 5th last, 2003 3rd last, 2004 2nd last, 2006 2nd last. That's not gradual improvement. When they drafted two generational type players in Sid and Geno, and they both made it into the lineup (2007), that's when things started to change for them.
Who cares if calgary made the playoffs more in the past decade they barely limped into most of those playoffs I'd rather years of pain then after suffering ten yrs of not just making th e playoffs but having a real chance to win the cup... who cares if you make the playoffs if your going to lose out first round anyways. And I wouldn't consider jankowski a good prospect yet just cause he was drafyed early - BleedOil06
Who cares if calgary made the playoffs more in the past decade they barely limped into most of those playoffs I'd rather years of pain then after suffering ten yrs of not just making th e playoffs but having a real chance to win the cup... who cares if you make the playoffs if your going to lose out first round anyways. And I wouldn't consider jankowski a good prospect yet just cause he was drafyed early - BleedOil06
I've been keeping track of Mark Jankowski and Jujhar Khaira just for comparison
Who cares if calgary made the playoffs more in the past decade they barely limped into most of those playoffs I'd rather years of pain then after suffering ten yrs of not just making th e playoffs but having a real chance to win the cup... who cares if you make the playoffs if your going to lose out first round anyways. And I wouldn't consider jankowski a good prospect yet just cause he was drafyed early - BleedOil06
I get why fans would not want the Edmonton style rebuild, though I don't have a problem with it. If the flames are going to re-tool instead, then they have to use Iggy, Kipper, Cammi and J-Bo as the assets in trade to re-tool. Maybe not all 4, but the first 2 for sure and maybe one of the other 2. The flames have shuffled the deck chairs enough and it has not worked. They are now onto there 4th coach and he is already saying the same things as past coaches, flames core does not want to compete on a nightly basis. It's time for drastic change and it starts with the captain. They need a new culture on this team.
I get why fans would not want the Edmonton style rebuild, though I don't have a problem with it. If the flames are going to re-tool instead, then they have to use Iggy, Kipper, Cammi and J-Bo as the assets to re-tool. Maybe not all 4, but the first 2 for sure and maybe one of the other 2. The flames have shuffled the deck chairs enough and it has not worked. They are now onto there 4th coach and he is already saying the same things as past coaches, flames core does not want to compete on a nightly basis. It's time for drastic change and it starts with the captain. They need a new culture on this team. - nigelwright275
i agree 100% with your assesment of the oilers. i said this befor the season that they were lacking vetran leaders to help derect the youngsters. I took alot of heat with that. It drives me nuts to see clouts post his oilers of the future and none of his line ups consist of any vets. If the oil continue by not addressing those needs, this will fail like the caps have.
I think the habs could be a great benchmark for the flames. The habs are in no way the best team, but they play hard and are in the top 5 teams, imo, for difficultly to play against. They consist of above average skill, but have 4 lines that constantly pressure the opponents and make it hard to create rushes. How many teams can boast 4 lines that are producing? If the flames can create an environment that is similar they too can succeed. The proof is in the standings. The habs are a point out of first in the east. a big jump from 15th in the east last year.
The flames will still have to move some vets to bring in some decent youngsters, but they dont have to go into a firesale to be competitive a few years from now.
i agree 100% with your assesment of the oilers. i said this befor the season that they were lacking vetran leaders to help derect the youngsters. I took alot of heat with that. It drives me nuts to see clouts post his oilers of the future and none of his line ups consist of any vets. If the oil continue by not addressing those needs, this will fail like the caps have.
I think the habs could be a great benchmark for the flames. The habs are in no way the best team, but they play hard and are in the top 5 teams, imo, for difficultly to play against. They consist of above average skill, but have 4 lines that constantly pressure the opponents and make it hard to create rushes. How many teams can boast 4 lines that are producing? If the flames can create an environment that is similar they too can succeed. The proof is in the standings. The habs are a point out of first in the east. a big jump from 15th in the east last year.
The flames will still have to move some vets to bring in some decent youngsters, but they dont have to go into a firesale to be competitive a few years from now. - munky123
I must say I do agree with most of what you said. I honestly think if you are obviously trying to lose to get high draft picks (which is clearly what the oilers have done) the NHL should take your first round draft pick.
Ill just say this both teams have been equally successful in my opinion. 0 Stanley Cups & 2 game 7 losses. That being said Calgary is in the position to atleast sell some players with talent if they go full rebuild. The oilers made many bad trades & signings and there scouting was horrible that's why it's taken so long to move forward. As long as Alberta wins a Cup before Ontario I'm sure we will all be somewhat happy
No they didn't for the first few years, 2002 5th last, 2003 3rd last, 2004 2nd last, 2006 2nd last. That's not gradual improvement. When they drafted two generational type players in Sid and Geno, and they both made it into the lineup, that's when things started to change for them. - LeftCoaster
agreed, and when i think about it, not one of the first round picks that edm has picked can even compare to sid or malkin.... its really incredible to think of their talents and what 4 people single handily do for an organization. (crosby malkin letang and the flower)
I like the word generational, i dont think we will see a crosby or malking type for a long while. (unless mckinonn can pull it off but even then)
102 points in his first seaason (crosby) not one oiler will touch that... at least none have proven that they could imo.
