why don't he "right" the Flames blog? Do you seriously not know the difference between right and write? This could be a good advertisement for telling kids to stay in school.
- ruttager17

Ohhhh the irony!

And I wouldn't call that the start of the rebuild. The organization's hands were tied but you still got decent value for him and it wasn't all picks and prospects. There was obviously a lot of future in that deal but there was some immediate help too.

Personally, I'd point at the Smyth trade as the start.

EDIT: And that's why Flames fans all say 6 years.

Edmonton Fans generally start counting at the TDL before Hall's draft year.
- jtommyt

The team decided it was the end of the season just before drafting Hall that the rebuild would start.

So...lets look at it...Your opinion vs The Team fact....

Nope. Dont forget, they were still pursuing guys like Heatley and Hossa and whover else while trading away picks and prospects and letting guys like Brodziak and Glencross walk. Not the actions of a rebuilding team.

It started 3 years ago, when they started not making moves at all.
- sanfordnson

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.

pretty sure he banned me for saying trolls are donkies, not even directed at anyone, just a general statement, Flames MODs are biased beyond belief.

That's how hurting the moderating is on this site, you get banned for general statements not directed at anyone
- SpoiledByOil

As usual you probably just missed the point. He probably banned you for acting like a tool!!

Dear ref. please notice I said "acting like a..." not that he "is." A lthough......

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.
- jtommyt

They werent. Lowe was trying to remain competetive. We witnessed countless drives for 8th and 9th and 10th. Trust me, rebuild was not the plan. Lowe has flat out said they basically stumbled into rebuild mode. No offence, but you are not correct on this.

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.
- jtommyt

So the flamers started their rebuild with the departure of Regehr and Phaneuf?

IMHO

Flamers rebuild started in 1990 and except for one anomoly year have FAILED since

Oilers rebuild started in 1991 and except for one anomoly year have FAILED since
(however I like oilers odds now more than the flamers)

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.
- jtommyt

So by that logic...Calgary is rebuilding and has been for the past couple years...

IMHO

Flamers rebuild started in 1990 and except for one anomoly year have FAILED since

Oilers rebuild started in 1991 and except for one anomoly year have FAILED since
(however I like oilers odds now more than the flamers)
- all mighty oil

Some would believe 1989 was also an anomoly year

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.
- jtommyt

Just for a reference point, can we all agree that the Flames are currently in a rebuild/retool at the moment. Feaster is trying, slowly to replace the core with younger players; Regher is gone, Iggy seems to have dropped down the lines a bit this year. etc.

Just for a reference point, can we all agree that the Flames are currently in a rebuild/retool at the moment. Feaster is trying, slowly to replace the core with younger players; Regher is gone, Iggy seems to have dropped down the lines a bit this year. etc.
- TandA4Flames

re-tool atm. If Iggy or Kipper go at fhe TD, then I'll call rebuild.

re-tool atm. If Iggy or Kipper go at fhe TD, then I'll call rebuild.
- sanfordnson

in order to rebuild shouldn't something actually have been built first?

re-tool atm. If Iggy or Kipper go at fhe TD, then I'll call rebuild.
- sanfordnson

Where's Reveen with some photos and gifs when you need him...

They werent. Lowe was trying to remain competetive. We witnessed countless drives for 8th and 9th and 10th. Trust me, rebuild was not the plan. Lowe has flat out said they basically stumbled into rebuild mode. No offence, but you are not correct on this.
- sanfordnson

Ok, I might even come around a bit on this one... Here are the trades they made, starting with Pronger (at the bottom) and ending with the Penner trade (which I believe is where most Oilers fans point to as the start of the actual rebuild).

2011-02-28 Dustin Penner traded to Los Angeles for Colten Teubert, 1st round pick in 2011, conditional pick (2nd or 3rd round) in 2012.
2011-02-28 Shawn Belle traded to Colorado for Kevin Montgomery.
2010-06-30 Patrick O'Sullivan traded to Phoenix for Jim Vandermeer.
2010-06-26 Riley Nash traded to Carolina for 2nd round pick in 2010 (Martin Marincin).
2010-06-24 Colin Fraser traded by Chicago for 6th round pick in 2010 (Mirko Hofflin).
2010-03-03 Steve Staios traded to Calgary for Aaron Johnson and 3rd round pick in 2010 or 2011.
2010-03-03 Lubomir Visnovsky traded to Anaheim for Ryan Whitney and 6th round pick in 2010 (Brandon Davidson).
2010-03-03 Aaron Johnson traded by Calgary with 3rd round pick in 2010 or 2011 for Steve Staios.
2010-03-02 Matt Marquardt traded by Boston for Cody Wild.
2010-03-01 Denis Grebeshkov traded to Nashville for 2nd round pick in 2010 (Curtis Hamilton).
2009-07-09 Tim Sestito traded to New Jersey for conditional draft pick.
2009-06-27 Kyle Brodziak traded with 6th (Darcy Kuemper) round pick in 2009 to Minnesota for 4th (Kyle Bigos) and 5th (Olivier Roy) round picks in 2009.
2009-03-04 Erik Cole traded to Carolina with 5th round draft pick in 2009 (Matt Kennedy) for Patrick O'Sullivan and 2nd round pick in 2009 (Jesse Blacker (Toronto)).
2009-03-04 Ales Kotalik traded by Buffalo for Carolina's 2nd round draft pick in 2009 (Jesse Blacker (Toronto)).
2009-01-17 Mathieu Garon traded to Pittsburgh for Ryan Stone, Dany Sabourin and 4th round pick in 2011.
2008-07-01 Gilbert Brule traded by Columbus for Raffi Torres.
2008-07-01 Erik Cole traded by Carolina for Joni Pitkanen.
2008-06-29 Matt Greene traded with Jarret Stoll to Los Angeles for Lubomir Visnovsky.
2008-06-06 Ryan Potulny traded by Philadelphia for Dan Syvret.
2008-02-01 Curtis Glencross traded by Columbus for Richard Tarnstrom.
2007-07-05 Allan Rourke traded by NY Islanders with 3rd round pick in 2008 (Kirill Petrov (NY Islanders)) for 2nd round pick in 2008 (Travis Hamonic).
2007-07-01 Joffrey Lupul traded with Jason Smith to Philadelphia for Joni Pitkanen, Geoff Sanderson and 3rd round pick in 2009 (Cameron Abney).
2007-02-27 Robert Nilsson traded by NY Islanders with Ryan O'Marra and 1st round pick in 2007 (Alex Plante) for Ryan Smyth.
2007-02-18 Marc-Andre Bergeron traded with 3rd round pick in 2008 (Kirill Petrov) to NY Islanders for Denis Grebeshkov.
2006-07-10 Jan Hejda traded by Buffalo for 7th round pick in 2007 (Nick Eno).
2006-07-03 Joffrey Lupul traded by Anaheim with Ladislav Smid, 1st round pick in 2007 (30th overall traded with 36th overall pick for 21st overall (Riley Nash)), 1st (Jordan Eberle) and 2nd (Travis Hamonic (NY Islanders)) picks in 2008 for Chris Pronger.

There is a lot of youth coming in, but there are also trades that go the other way...

I mean Lupul and Smith for Pitkanen and Sanderson... that's just a hockey trade. Adding mobility to the back and grit to the front, and giving up the opposite.

You're right, that's not a rebuild move.

The Kotalik trade, and the Cole trade both look like re-building moves though... Grebeshkov for a 2nd looks like a rebuild move too... From that point on the only one that doesn't look that way is the trade to bring in Vandermeer, and that was a stop-gap move.

So maybe the rebuild started with Kotalik?

And I wouldn't call that the start of the rebuild. The organization's hands were tied but you still got decent value for him and it wasn't all picks and prospects. There was obviously a lot of future in that deal but there was some immediate help too.

Personally, I'd point at the Smyth trade as the start.

EDIT: And that's why Flames fans all say 6 years.

Edmonton Fans generally start counting at the TDL before Hall's draft year.
- jtommyt

how is trading someone who wants more money than he's worth the start of a rebuild???

I agree that they were still trying to bring in guys that they could build around, but a full rebuild doesn't necessarily mean that you only bring in 1st round picks and prospects. It's about changing the core and the identity of a team.

Building around Hossa or Heatley could have helped to speed the process up, but it doesn't mean that they weren't rebuilding.
- jtommyt

so that would mean trading guys like Hemsky and Horcoff, they in no way tried trading away what they considered their core players....

again, trading someone who's asking for more money than he's worth is not the sign of a rebuild...

and really? trying to add guys like Hossa and Heatly means your rebuilding?? So what year of the rebuild are Pitsburgh and San Jose on then?

As usual you probably just missed the point. He probably banned you for acting like a tool!!

Dear ref. please notice I said "acting like a..." not that he "is." A lthough......
- TandA4Flames

yea ok there, acting like a tool means ban i have no idea how you flames fans are still posting.... he said if you call someone names you'll get banned, i did no such thing but was pointed out by him that was the reason for my ban.... but anyways who really cares?

Edit: oh wait i know why you haven't been banned, because the Ref is a Flames fan,
otherwise you'd clearly be banned for saying the bolded, which is just as bad, if not worse than what i got banned for, seeing as how my comment wasn't directed at anyone.... Typical biased Flames Refs though

your point is?
- all mighty oil

Exactly...

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So maybe the rebuild started with Kotalik?
- jtommyt

Hey that's funny, so did ours!!

your point is?
- all mighty oil

Just trying to add creedence to your comment.

Hey ref? this isn't a ban worthy post...by the CoC calling someone a troll is a ban-able offense...

Ya know...Just Sayin'
- OilHorse

Serious question: How old are you?

Colin, new blog soon please... I think this one has spiralled way beyond even your predictions of a gong show...

Colin, new blog soon please... I think this one has spiralled way beyond even your predictions of a gong show...
- geta02it

Pretty much right on my expectation though...

Pretty much right on my expectation though...
- jtommyt

Hey, but it's been fun Colin. Pure entertainment not without it's mishaps.

Pretty much right on my expectation though...
- jtommyt

at least he gave you the heads up on it... How about he starts in on the Leafs next... that'll REALLY test your new powers...