Tommy seems good. I dont think he has popped his Ban cherry yet.
- Iggysbff

I actually got my first couple in yesterday. This was a good thread for it.

Tommy seems good. I dont think he has popped his Ban cherry yet.
- Iggysbff

pretty sure he banned me for saying trolls are donkies, not even directed at anyone, just a general statement, Flames MODs are biased beyond belief.

That's how hurting the moderating is on this site, you get banned for general statements not directed at anyone

I wish I was cool enough to be a ref on hockeybuzz then I could ban people for no reason what so ever
- SpoiledByOil

You earned yours. And I warned you.

2007 dude... 5 years of hearing it...
on this site there are very, very few fans that are not trolls-you and i included! its perception becoming reality.
- geta02it

2007? Really? The Oilers were one game from winning it all in 2006. In 2007 they signed fresh ridiculous contracts with Rolli, horc, Pisani and others. They were trading away picks and signing RFA's and doing all the same crap Calgary is now until 2010. Thats what Cloutier was saying in his blog. Edmonton was doing ALL the same things Calgary has been trying. It didnt work. They stayed mediocre and there was nothing coming up in prospects. Same place Calgary is now.

pretty sure he banned me for saying trolls are donkies, not even directed at anyone, just a general statement, Flames MODs are biased beyond belief.

That's how hurting the moderating is on this site, you get banned for general statements not directed at anyone
- SpoiledByOil

Gretz is that you...
boo f'n hoo... don't come here then. Seriously... you whine more than my kids.

I actually got my first couple in yesterday. This was a good thread for it.
- jtommyt

Who was it? I think we had a pool going on who would be first?

You earned yours. And I warned you.
- jtommyt

you warned me not to call anyone any names, which i didn't do, but good job ref you're doing a stand up job, banning people for no reason

You earned yours. And I warned you.
- jtommyt

Ahhh hahahahahaha

SBO was first!

2007? Really? The Oilers were one game from winning it all in 2006. In 2007 they signed fresh ridiculous contracts with Rolli, horc, Pisani and others. They were trading away picks and signing RFA's and doing all the same crap Calgary is now until 2010. Thats what Cloutier was saying in his blog. Edmonton was doing ALL the same things Calgary has been trying. It didnt work. They stayed mediocre and there was nothing coming up in prospects. Same place Calgary is now.
- Iggysbff

thats my point, on THIS site, I've heard it... thats all I'm saying and given that its THIS site, take it for what its worth. All I'm saying and as SBO says its the Oilers trolls not the fans...

2007? Really? The Oilers were one game from winning it all in 2006. In 2007 they signed fresh ridiculous contracts with Rolli, horc, Pisani and others. They were trading away picks and signing RFA's and doing all the same crap Calgary is now until 2010. Thats what Cloutier was saying in his blog. Edmonton was doing ALL the same things Calgary has been trying. It didnt work. They stayed mediocre and there was nothing coming up in prospects. Same place Calgary is now.
- Iggysbff

way too much sense in this statement for flames fans

classy representation of your fan base!
- geta02it

oh please buddy, lets go back and quote the bullpoop you've said on here, give me a (frank)ing break

oh please buddy, lets go back and quote the bullpoop you've said on here, give me a (frank)ing break
- SpoiledByOil

quote anything... i've been here a long time...

Jesus this is awful.

Ahhh hahahahahaha

SBO was first!
- Iggysbff

i feel honored

Jesus this is awful.
- sanfordnson

we always do this.. its soooooo much beter than discussing hockey.

2007? Really? The Oilers were one game from winning it all in 2006. In 2007 they signed fresh ridiculous contracts with Rolli, horc, Pisani and others. They were trading away picks and signing RFA's and doing all the same crap Calgary is now until 2010. Thats what Cloutier was saying in his blog. Edmonton was doing ALL the same things Calgary has been trying. It didnt work. They stayed mediocre and there was nothing coming up in prospects. Same place Calgary is now.
- Iggysbff

Don't most teams go into full rebuild the year after they make to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final???

we always do this.. its soooooo much beter than discussing hockey.
- geta02it

Yeah this is what I'd like to avoid...

Don't most teams go into full rebuild the year after they make to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final???
- SpoiledByOil

Question (and don't get mad-its a question and not a statement)... when did all the Pronger BS go down?

Question (and don't get mad-its a question and not a statement)... when did all the Pronger BS go down?
- geta02it

In the summer. August I think.

Yeah this is what I'd like to avoid...
- jtommyt

Ill have a pregame blog up soon...should help

They have slowly faded into the NHL's basement, and have done nothing more, IMO, than draft high while there. Their attempts at improving their roster, I would argue, was nothing more than through the draft. They were more than happy...it seems...to sit pretty in the corner of mom's dark basement and wait while scraps were thrown toward them, in hopes that one day...they got strong enough to climb out. Again, just how I feel.

Jay Feaster wont be selling off the team and join their foes in the basement. Won't happen. Whether if its pride or job security, he wont accept loss in order to gain. He's said so far too many times.


Check age of team before Feaster took over...check age of team currently. He let a few guys walk and signed slighter younger players who can help now and down the road. Hes creating a "foundation" for his younger players to come into and eventually take over.

Not sure what was meant here...the point was simply that the Flames have been playing much better than their standings display. They have lost their starting goalie and, to their own fault, did not have a legitimate option to step in for the backup role. The Flames, like every other NHL team, had as many training camp and exhibition games as the rest. The difference is the majority of the league, unlike the Flames, had the same line combinations, systems, and coaching staff from previous years and the shortened season likely didnt affect them as much. Flames had a short amount of time to learn a new coach and new systems/style of game.


If the rebuild started three years ago, what was happening three years prior? What exactly was Edmontons plan for the past 6-7 years when they were not succeeding? If you say shooting for last and drafting high wasnt a plan...do you mean to tell me they had no plan at all?

Given the extent of time the Oilers have spent away from the playoffs, in the NHLs basement, and seemingly no fight from their team or GM...I do (in fact) argue that the team may have decided its easier to give in, then fight back. After a year/two of struggle and injury...it would appear that the managment team decided that given their success of late, it appears it may be in their best interest to throw in the towel for the season and take draft pick. The same was decided the next year, and the next. Are you meaning to tell me that the environment which would likely ensue from such decision making would have no effect on the team and staff members who took part?


Reread the blog...perhaps you missed the parts where I said the Oilers would be a great team in a few years and that the Flames are beginning to struggle and change will be necessary soon. Don't pick apart my blog in your favor. I was fair to both sides...(perhaps outside of the tanking talk...because thats just my opinionated chirp...but take it for what it is).

1- They made other attempts to improve the roster. None of them worked out the way they hoped. the only thing they had left was draft picks. They had a choice. Keep them and draft a new team, or try to trade them away ala Toronto. I like the Oilers results better.

2- Calgary's team is slightly younger, but they still have a pile of bad contracts and NTC's. The team is no better for it.

3- I seem to remember the Oil fans argueing that the reason they stunk so bad a few years back is that they lost their top 3 players. Hemsky, Khabby and Whitney (who was top 3 in the league when he went down). By your arguement they should have made a bunch of trades to fill the holes. Who would they have gotten and at what cost?

4- The 3 years prior to the rebuild they were trying exactly what Calgary is doing right now. It didnt work. they brought in UFA's, RFA's and made trades that didnt work out.

5- Just because they have a long term plan does not mean they threw in the towel. They will not be forced to pay too much as other teams have done. They will not trade the future for the present. They know there are still holes. But do you plug it with something that is not a long term fit or a marginal upgrade when the price is so high? No you have paceince and wait and develop.

In the summer. August I think.
- sanfordnson

And I wouldn't call that the start of the rebuild. The organization's hands were tied but you still got decent value for him and it wasn't all picks and prospects. There was obviously a lot of future in that deal but there was some immediate help too.

Personally, I'd point at the Smyth trade as the start.

EDIT: And that's why Flames fans all say 6 years.

Edmonton Fans generally start counting at the TDL before Hall's draft year.

Difference between flames and oilers:

While the oilers have been sh1t for a long, long time, they've decided to start fresh with lots of young talent. All of this talent has gotten the oilers something. Potential. Yes, potential can turn out gloriously or horridly, but at least they're not doing what the flames are doing....

Flames: Gameplan for last 3 years has been, keep the same old roster and miss the playoffs just enough that they get the highest possible non-playoff-team draft pick. They take the same loop year-after-year of telling themselves they're just missing that one player, babchuk, morrison, wideman, dawes. Then after acquiring these players, they finish in the same spot. They have no potential to get better. Just the potential that their old roster will grow slower and weaker.

It's time for a change in Cow-town!
- TheNugeIsHuge

This just proves you know nothing.

AMO or the Islanders dude with the pedophile avatar will be the first i guess...
- geta02it

dream on

And I wouldn't call that the start of the rebuild. The organization's hands were tied but you still got decent value for him and it wasn't all picks and prospects. There was obviously a lot of future in that deal but there was some immediate help too.

Personally, I'd point at the Smyth trade as the start.
- jtommyt

Nope. Dont forget, they were still pursuing guys like Heatley and Hossa and whover else while trading away picks and prospects and letting guys like Brodziak and Glencross walk. Not the actions of a rebuilding team.

It started 3 years ago, when they started not making moves at all.