Chances of actually getting Getzlaf?? Probably not very good.
- Leafland

Agreed but Perry will probably be available...

Agreed but Perry will probably be available...
- DoctorNHL

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

or keep kessel and sign perry for nothing

Agreed fully.. plus dump some salary.. Liles, Komi, MacA, Grabo, Kuli.. etc...
- DoctorNHL

why do you want to dump kuli? hes only at 2 something a year and ya hes probably never gonna get 30 again but hes a great 2 way 3rd liner... dont see anything wrong with his play if we think of him as that

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

why the hell do you want to trade kessel?

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

Stop proposing trades.

Forever.

I'd grab him in a heartbeat. We should pursue a Kessel for Perry trade, as long as he signs a long term deal here.
- PrinceLH

Starting to wonder if the Leafs are legit. Playing pretty well.Still hate Phaneufs face.

Starting to wonder if the Leafs are legit. Playing pretty well.Still hate Phaneufs face.
- sanfordnson

Too early to call them legit because of the massive collapse last season. They're going to have to prove that they can make the playoffs but it's pretty impressive considering Lupul, Frattin, Gardiner, and Reimer are all out. Carlyle's system looks a million times better than Wilson's and Burke seems to have brought in players that can play Carlyle hockey.

why the hell do you want to trade kessel?
- DarcyTucker16

Salary cap constraints. If you take Perry, you'll need the cap space, going forward. Kessel will demand Perry type money and Perry is a more complete, well rounded hockey player.

Too early to call them legit because of the massive collapse last season. They're going to have to prove that they can make the playoffs but it's pretty impressive considering Lupul, Frattin, Gardiner, and Reimer are all out. Carlyle's system looks a million times better than Wilson's and Burke seems to have brought in players that can play Carlyle hockey.
- dionschenn

I dont think you can use last season as a barometer for this season. In any case, they're in a lot better shape this year with 32 games to go than they were last season with 32 games to go.

Salary cap constraints. If you take Perry, you'll need the cap space, going forward. Kessel will demand Perry type money and Perry is a more complete, well rounded hockey player.
- PrinceLH

wrong

Salary cap constraints. If you take Perry, you'll need the cap space, going forward. Kessel will demand Perry type money and Perry is a more complete, well rounded hockey player.
- PrinceLH

You find that cap space elsewhere, not by trading Kessel. Besides, they already have cap space to pay Perry.

wrong
- jribout

Kessel is nowhere near as good as Perry..

Kessel is nowhere near as good as Perry..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

sorry was talking about the cap constraints

how were your fries

sorry was talking about the cap constraints

how were your fries
- jribout

ahh my bad.. They were poop... pretty awful.. The wings were good tho

Here is some similarities between O'Reilly and this guy:

1983-1984 Blues 80 25 28 53
1984-1985 Blues 78 21 36 57
1985-1986 Blues 74 25 28 53
1986-1987 Blues 80 42 63 105
1987-1988 Blues 72 36 50 86
1988-1989 Flames 72 26 59 85
1989-1990 Flames 78 24 67 91
1990-1991 Flames 78 20 61 81
1991-1992 Flames 38 11 27 38
1991-1992 Maple Leafs 40 15 34 49
1992-1993 Maple Leafs 83 32 95 127
1993-1994 Maple Leafs 83 27 84 111
1994-1995 Maple Leafs 44 10 23 33
1995-1996 Maple Leafs 81 32 40 72
1996-1997 Maple Leafs 61 15 45 60
1996-1997 Devils 20 7 15 22
1997-1998 Devils 63 13 40 53
1998-1999 Blackhawks 72 16 40 56
1999-2000 Blackhawks 63 22 34 56
1999-2000 Sabres 11 3 14 17
2000-2001 Sabres 71 7 31 38
2001-2002 Canadiens 70 10 31 41
2002-2003 Canadiens 61 11 19 30
2002-2003 Maple Leafs 1 0 0 0
NHL TOTALS 1,474 450 964 1,414

You do know who this guy was, right?
- PrinceLH

This is borderline blasphemy.

Salary cap constraints. If you take Perry, you'll need the cap space, going forward. Kessel will demand Perry type money and Perry is a more complete, well rounded hockey player.
- PrinceLH

That moment when kessel only gets 1M raise and we have the money for perry... so what are you saying

That moment when kessel only gets 1M raise and we have the money for perry... so what are you saying
- Mapleleafs_91

Trade Kessel for Perry when you can get him for free sounds like a good plan...

That moment when kessel only gets 1M raise and we have the money for perry... so what are you saying
- Mapleleafs_91

He'll probably get 6.5-6.8 over 5-7 years which imo is a good contract for him, and it allows him to be moveable if needed. Kessel isn't an untouchable, however could be had if it helps the team in the long term.

I still think acquiring a guy like O'Rielly is a smart, calculated risk. He specializes in defense, and could likely be a Selke candidate year in year out, playing 20+ minutes a night on our top line. It's something that shouldn't be taken likely. And for all the people saying he's a marginal upgrade over Bozak; he's 6 years younger with a far more complete game. Now is the time to strike, there is your likely number one center. Three assets gets it done likely, and Bozak, Gunnerson and a 2nd can get you O'Rielly.

Then you have Komi Connolly and McCarther off the books to sign free agents. David Clarkson springs to mind as a possible.

He'll probably get 6.5-6.8 over 5-7 years which imo is a good contract for him, and it allows him to be moveable if needed. Kessel isn't an untouchable, however could be had if it helps the team in the long term.

I still think acquiring a guy like O'Rielly is a smart, calculated risk. He specializes in defense, and could likely be a Selke candidate year in year out, playing 20+ minutes a night on our top line. It's something that shouldn't be taken likely. And for all the people saying he's a marginal upgrade over Bozak; he's 6 years younger with a far more complete game. Now is the time to strike, there is your likely number one center. Three assets gets it done likely, and Bozak, Gunnerson and a 2nd can get you O'Rielly.

Then you have Komi Connolly and McCarther off the books to sign free agents. David Clarkson springs to mind as a possible.
- Viktory

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I've neen telling people all day that it's a joke to try and get someone like O'Reilly by giving up more assets. Saw some people in a stream chat saying we should give up Rielly + a pick to get him. I laughed my ass off, they said to trade Rielly because he wont come close to what Gardiner will. But if Colorado really can't sign this guy and Bozie, Carl, and a 2nd will get it done then I say go for. it. We don't have a log-jam at the defensive end, we have a hydro-electric dam. Bozie for O'Reilly is a swap, while we make space and give up a 2nd. Do it.

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I've neen telling people all day that it's a joke to try and get someone like O'Reilly by giving up more assets. Saw some people in a stream chat saying we should give up Rielly + a pick to get him. I laughed my ass off, they said to trade Rielly because he wont come close to what Gardiner will. But if Colorado really can't sign this guy and Bozie, Carl, and a 2nd will get it done then I say go for. it. We don't have a log-jam at the defensive end, we have a hydro-electric dam. Bozie for O'Reilly is a swap, while we make space and give up a 2nd. Do it.
- Compeyson

Rielly has far more upside than Gards. I look at Rielly and think "#1 Puck moving defenseman, Franchise potential" Watching him skate is magic, he looks like a natural born figure skater he's just so smooth on his turns and pivots. He's definitely that next step up from Gards. Gardiner is this teams best skater now, wait til Rielly fills out. And he's lights out fast when he's moving his feet. Not a small kid either, body frame suggests he'll bulk up some. Very lithe.

I'm also of the belief that Gardiner isn't a true PMD. He's a hybrid; while he can gain the zone, he's not the most creative playmaker and his main shot is mostly accurate, lacks a little power. Unlike Kessel whose shot is scary quick. All the goals I've ever seen him score he was positioned well or he caught someone off guard. It's his skating, is positioning and his vision in terms of seeing what's going on around him that makes him good. Not a Top line, PMD with top PP minutes. You'd likely see him on the PP with a guy like Franson and his booming shot, or with kostka for two accurate wristers and guys crashing the net (So JVR up front with Grabo causing mayhem around the slot trying to clear the lanes or opening up defensive coverage). Rielly, if he pans out, could become a Brian Rafalski. But with Phaneuf eating the top line minutes in the foreseable future, something needs to be done to either move him down to a #3 or pairing him with a Regehr to open up his playstyle.

But back to O'Rielly, I'd rather be paying him what we're likely paying Bozak, Gunnerson I feel is a commodity we can't accomodate nor does he have a game breaking factor to be placed in the Top Four at this time. His first pass and his defensive positioning so far has been mirrored by more physical defenders like Holzer and Fraser, and Kostka makes a good first pass to make up for that loss. If I could, I'd send Kostka down to bring back Gunner and evaluate him properly to make that kind of decision. Bozie is such a floater it kills me. We praise how Kessel works all 200 feet of the ice now, but I still don't see Bozak doing enough defensively, he seems to have this constant urge to hover at the blue line not really covering defenders unless the puck breaks free from a scrum and he can either feed Kessel or go for a breakaway. Not a fan; O'Rielly would get in there, take the puck away before a likely scrum occurs around or near the slot and be pushing a 3-on-2. And just think how much better his offense will develop with Kessel/Lupul and co? Or how much more refined his defensive aspects will become under Carlyle's new system and tactics.

Getzlaf and Perry... I wish. But even still, O'rielly would flourish in Toronto with the type of team we have, and could likely speed up a rebuild. Goaltending, Defense haven't been the issue so much as having that Top Line center capable of doing it all and putting up 60+ points to boot. Hell, O'Rielly would probably cushion his teammates stats with is defense alone. Bozak still manages to lack points as purely offensive most times. Don't you think being paired with Kess and Lups he'd have at least comparable offensive stats?

Even Steve Simmons is being hot on the Leafs with positive talk... is the world ending or something...


He should be eating the most CROW over this Goalie Tandem..
- DoctorNHL

He's a complete moron. He has no clue. Just saw him talking about the Leafs on that's hockey tonight. They asked about Kadri being the Leafs best player and he said he doesn't like it because it's not Kessel or Dion or the goalies.