i think Gardiner and a second should get it done, any more is not worth it unless it's a player on the Marlies
- bobbyisno1

No thanks.

i think Gardiner and a second should get it done, any more is not worth it unless it's a player on the Marlies
- bobbyisno1

They won't take that... and I wouldn't give up on Gardiner.. he has more upside for me... Gardiner almost had as many points as O'Reilly

I don't want to make the playoffs by giving up a pick, prospect, and a roster player for a one season 50 pt man.. with an attitude...

Sorry respectfully disagree
- DoctorNHL

lupul bozak kessel
kulemin grabovski jvr/mac
frattin kadri jvr/mac
komorov mclement orr/brown

now we have 3 scoring lines since our fourth line can take some of the shutdown responsibilities

Agreed fully.. plus dump some salary.. Liles, Komi, MacA, Grabo, Kuli.. etc...
- DoctorNHL

keep kuli everyone else, meh

They won't take that... and I wouldn't give up on Gardiner.. he has more upside for me...
- DoctorNHL

maybe he does, but i's not the position he leafs need

In the other thread I asked if we even know if O'Reilly has a higher upside than Kadri.

Don't look now, but Kadri is about to blow O'Reilly's best season out of the water.

14 points in 16 games. It's early, I know, but that translates to 72 points in a full season.

In the other thread I asked if we even know if O'Reilly has a higher upside than Kadri.

Don't look now, but Kadri is about to blow O'Reilly's best season out of the water.

14 points in 16 games. It's early, I know, but that translates to 72 points in a full season.
- Leeman4Gilmour

yep. but you need 2 centers like that to go any where

Wheeler on TSN Fan590 is praising my email comments about the goalies being left out to dry... last year and how the responsible defending has made a huge difference in the Leafs results this year.

Here is some similarities between O'Reilly and this guy:

1983-1984 Blues 80 25 28 53
1984-1985 Blues 78 21 36 57
1985-1986 Blues 74 25 28 53
1986-1987 Blues 80 42 63 105
1987-1988 Blues 72 36 50 86
1988-1989 Flames 72 26 59 85
1989-1990 Flames 78 24 67 91
1990-1991 Flames 78 20 61 81
1991-1992 Flames 38 11 27 38
1991-1992 Maple Leafs 40 15 34 49
1992-1993 Maple Leafs 83 32 95 127
1993-1994 Maple Leafs 83 27 84 111
1994-1995 Maple Leafs 44 10 23 33
1995-1996 Maple Leafs 81 32 40 72
1996-1997 Maple Leafs 61 15 45 60
1996-1997 Devils 20 7 15 22
1997-1998 Devils 63 13 40 53
1998-1999 Blackhawks 72 16 40 56
1999-2000 Blackhawks 63 22 34 56
1999-2000 Sabres 11 3 14 17
2000-2001 Sabres 71 7 31 38
2001-2002 Canadiens 70 10 31 41
2002-2003 Canadiens 61 11 19 30
2002-2003 Maple Leafs 1 0 0 0
NHL TOTALS 1,474 450 964 1,414

You do know who this guy was, right?

Here is some similarities between O'Reilly and this guy:

1983-1984 Blues 80 25 28 53
1984-1985 Blues 78 21 36 57
1985-1986 Blues 74 25 28 53
1986-1987 Blues 80 42 63 105
1987-1988 Blues 72 36 50 86
1988-1989 Flames 72 26 59 85
1989-1990 Flames 78 24 67 91
1990-1991 Flames 78 20 61 81
1991-1992 Flames 38 11 27 38
1991-1992 Maple Leafs 40 15 34 49
1992-1993 Maple Leafs 83 32 95 127
1993-1994 Maple Leafs 83 27 84 111
1994-1995 Maple Leafs 44 10 23 33
1995-1996 Maple Leafs 81 32 40 72
1996-1997 Maple Leafs 61 15 45 60
1996-1997 Devils 20 7 15 22
1997-1998 Devils 63 13 40 53
1998-1999 Blackhawks 72 16 40 56
1999-2000 Blackhawks 63 22 34 56
1999-2000 Sabres 11 3 14 17
2000-2001 Sabres 71 7 31 38
2001-2002 Canadiens 70 10 31 41
2002-2003 Canadiens 61 11 19 30
2002-2003 Maple Leafs 1 0 0 0
NHL TOTALS 1,474 450 964 1,414

You do know who this guy was, right?
- PrinceLH

He ain't no Gilmour.... Gilmour didn't have 2 20 point seasons to start... he always averaged more points than that..

Here is some similarities between O'Reilly and this guy:

1983-1984 Blues 80 25 28 53
1984-1985 Blues 78 21 36 57
1985-1986 Blues 74 25 28 53
1986-1987 Blues 80 42 63 105
1987-1988 Blues 72 36 50 86
1988-1989 Flames 72 26 59 85
1989-1990 Flames 78 24 67 91
1990-1991 Flames 78 20 61 81
1991-1992 Flames 38 11 27 38
1991-1992 Maple Leafs 40 15 34 49
1992-1993 Maple Leafs 83 32 95 127
1993-1994 Maple Leafs 83 27 84 111
1994-1995 Maple Leafs 44 10 23 33
1995-1996 Maple Leafs 81 32 40 72
1996-1997 Maple Leafs 61 15 45 60
1996-1997 Devils 20 7 15 22
1997-1998 Devils 63 13 40 53
1998-1999 Blackhawks 72 16 40 56
1999-2000 Blackhawks 63 22 34 56
1999-2000 Sabres 11 3 14 17
2000-2001 Sabres 71 7 31 38
2001-2002 Canadiens 70 10 31 41
2002-2003 Canadiens 61 11 19 30
2002-2003 Maple Leafs 1 0 0 0
NHL TOTALS 1,474 450 964 1,414

You do know who this guy was, right?
- PrinceLH

Douggy G
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He ain't no Gilmour.... Gilmour didn't have 2 20 point seasons to start... he always averaged more points than that..
- DoctorNHL

One 50 pt season does not make a Gilmour... he was a stud... a top line guy.. O'Reilly at best is a 2nd line centre.. that's if he keeps his numbers up.. wouldn't count on it.. he is more a Grabovski... and we have one of those already. Funny how he wants Grabo money...

He ain't no Gilmour.... Gilmour didn't have 2 20 point seasons to start... he always averaged more points than that..
- DoctorNHL

And Gilmour didn't start at 18, either. It was a different time, in the 80's. Teams scored more goals, witness the Oilers. The league now is a much harder place to play, with players in better shape and defensive schemes that are far and away superior to back then. Gilmour came in, as a defensive specialist, and grew into a 1st line center, at about 25 years of age. O'Reilly may do the same. If the price is right, we should go after him. If it's a deal like Gunnerson and an AHL player, then I say do it. No blue chip defencemen going the other way. We keep Gardiner and Rielly.

Here is some similarities between O'Reilly and this guy:

1983-1984 Blues 80 25 28 53
1984-1985 Blues 78 21 36 57
1985-1986 Blues 74 25 28 53
1986-1987 Blues 80 42 63 105
1987-1988 Blues 72 36 50 86
1988-1989 Flames 72 26 59 85
1989-1990 Flames 78 24 67 91
1990-1991 Flames 78 20 61 81
1991-1992 Flames 38 11 27 38
1991-1992 Maple Leafs 40 15 34 49
1992-1993 Maple Leafs 83 32 95 127
1993-1994 Maple Leafs 83 27 84 111
1994-1995 Maple Leafs 44 10 23 33
1995-1996 Maple Leafs 81 32 40 72
1996-1997 Maple Leafs 61 15 45 60
1996-1997 Devils 20 7 15 22
1997-1998 Devils 63 13 40 53
1998-1999 Blackhawks 72 16 40 56
1999-2000 Blackhawks 63 22 34 56
1999-2000 Sabres 11 3 14 17
2000-2001 Sabres 71 7 31 38
2001-2002 Canadiens 70 10 31 41
2002-2003 Canadiens 61 11 19 30
2002-2003 Maple Leafs 1 0 0 0
NHL TOTALS 1,474 450 964 1,414

You do know who this guy was, right?
- PrinceLH

That's a (frank)ing joke.

How can you compare the two... at all? I mean, with real honesty. Did you trade for O'rielly in NHL 13 and he gave you some good results??

The absolute worst thing to do is to trade for the sake of a trade. If a GM approaches the organization and puts a package on the table that will legitimately upgrade our roster, likely Nonis says okay. Otherwise why do away with depth, especially in a shortened season?

And Gilmour didn't start at 18, either. It was a different time, in the 80's. Teams scored more goals, witness the Oilers. The league now is a much harder place to play, with players in better shape and defensive schemes that are far and away superior to back then. Gilmour came in, as a defensive specialist, and grew into a 1st line center, at about 25 years of age. O'Reilly may do the same. If the price is right, we should go after him. If it's a deal like Gunnerson and an AHL player, then I say do it. No blue chip defencemen going the other way. We keep Gardiner and Rielly.
- PrinceLH

Avs asking for a lot .. initial was two roster players, a prospect, and a first rounder..

that price will come down.. they will not take a Gunnar tho and it will cost us future.. I say sit on it.. see if you can pick off a Getz or a Perry.. or both...lol if not sit on the picks which will be good.. and trade for a top line guy. Not a second liner.. that is why I am not hot on it.

yep. but you need 2 centers like that to go any where
- bobbyisno1

True, but at least this team is proving that we can afford to be patient.

Reimer and Scrivens made Luongo talk irrelevant, and Kadri is helping us to avoid losing our shirts in a trade for O'Reilly.

That's a (frank)ing joke.

How can you compare the two... at all? I mean, with real honesty. Did you trade for O'rielly in NHL 13 and he gave you some good results??

The absolute worst thing to do is to trade for the sake of a trade. If a GM approaches the organization and puts a package on the table that will legitimately upgrade our roster, likely Nonis says okay. Otherwise why do away with depth, especially in a shortened season?
- A_Tree

I heard the O'Reilly problem could extend into the summer.

Why not wait and see if the price moves in our favor? Or maybe we get the opportunity to sell high on a guy like Franson?

Franson + Grabo?

That's a (frank)ing joke.

How can you compare the two... at all? I mean, with real honesty. Did you trade for O'rielly in NHL 13 and he gave you some good results??

The absolute worst thing to do is to trade for the sake of a trade. If a GM approaches the organization and puts a package on the table that will legitimately upgrade our roster, likely Nonis says okay. Otherwise why do away with depth, especially in a shortened season?
- A_Tree

I am with you.. I appreciate folks are interested in O'Reilly because he has some upside and is available.. but it has to make sense... if they took Grabo & a 2nd I would do it.. because I think Grabo has reached his level.. so would be willing to gamble on the future.. but not for any current prospects or high draft picks.

Avs asking for a lot .. initial was two roster players, a prospect, and a first rounder..

that price will come down.. they will not take a Gunnar tho and it will cost us future.. I say sit on it.. see if you can pick off a Getz or a Perry.. or both...lol if not sit on the picks which will be good.. and trade for a top line guy. Not a second liner.. that is why I am not hot on it.
- DoctorNHL

I'd rather get an Orielly who has his best years in front of him, then a Getz who possibly has his best years behind him.

I heard the O'Reilly problem could extend into the summer.

Why not wait and see if the price moves in our favor? Or maybe we get the opportunity to sell high on a guy like Franson?

Franson + Grabo?
- Leeman4Gilmour

I would do that.. but don't think the Avs would go for it.

I'd rather get an Orielly who has his best years in front of him, then a Getz who possibly has his best years behind him.
- Leafland

I would take Getz....

Year Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 57 14 25 39 6 22 10 0 1 116 12.07
2006-07 Anh 82 25 33 58 17 66 11 1 6 203 12.32
2007-08 Anh 77 24 58 82 32 94 4 1 2 185 12.97
2008-09 Anh 81 25 66 91 5 121 9 0 2 227 11.01
2009-10 Anh 66 19 50 69 4 79 8 0 5 149 12.75
2010-11 Anh 67 19 57 76 14 35 7 0 4 117 16.24
2011-12 Anh 82 11 46 57 -11 75 4 0 4 185 5.95
2012-13 Anh 14 4 8 12 7 8 1 0 1 34 11.76
Career 526 141 343 484 74 500 54 2 25 1216 11.60

Career Postseason Stats
Totals
Totals Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 16 3 4 7 -3 13 2 0 1 38 7.89
2006-07 Anh 21 7 10 17 1 32 3 1 3 57 12.28
2007-08 Anh 6 2 3 5 -2 6 1 0 0 14 14.29
2008-09 Anh 13 4 14 18 3 25 1 0 0 25 16.00
2010-11 Anh 6 2 4 6 0 9 0 0 1 17 11.76
Career 62 18 35 53 -1 85 7 1 5 151 11.92

Plus he won a cup....

In previous seasons the wins were coming despite poor defensive and goaltending stats. We were simply outscoring other teams and often having to go to overtime or the shootout. This season the wins are coming from a well executed system and they have been quite decisive wins.

I would take Getz....

Year Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 57 14 25 39 6 22 10 0 1 116 12.07
2006-07 Anh 82 25 33 58 17 66 11 1 6 203 12.32
2007-08 Anh 77 24 58 82 32 94 4 1 2 185 12.97
2008-09 Anh 81 25 66 91 5 121 9 0 2 227 11.01
2009-10 Anh 66 19 50 69 4 79 8 0 5 149 12.75
2010-11 Anh 67 19 57 76 14 35 7 0 4 117 16.24
2011-12 Anh 82 11 46 57 -11 75 4 0 4 185 5.95
2012-13 Anh 14 4 8 12 7 8 1 0 1 34 11.76
Career 526 141 343 484 74 500 54 2 25 1216 11.60

Career Postseason Stats
Totals
Totals Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 16 3 4 7 -3 13 2 0 1 38 7.89
2006-07 Anh 21 7 10 17 1 32 3 1 3 57 12.28
2007-08 Anh 6 2 3 5 -2 6 1 0 0 14 14.29
2008-09 Anh 13 4 14 18 3 25 1 0 0 25 16.00
2010-11 Anh 6 2 4 6 0 9 0 0 1 17 11.76
Career 62 18 35 53 -1 85 7 1 5 151 11.92

Plus he won a cup....
- DoctorNHL

Chances of actually getting Getzlaf?? Probably not very good.

I'd rather get an Orielly who has his best years in front of him, then a Getz who possibly has his best years behind him.
- Leafland

I'm not saying mortgage the farm for him. If some idiot in Philadelphia or New York, wants to overpay for his services, then have at it. We know what he's worth and the gamble that he is, but we are in dire need of a decent two way center right now. Grabovski is filling the bill, but at 29 years of age, his numbers are starting to wane. He has allot of good tools, but physical toughness isn't one of them. O'Reilly isn't a big man, but he plays big and at 21 years of age, he is a worthwhile gamble. At best, he becomes a first line center, at worst, he's a good shutdown 2nd liner. We can't get better, without taking calculated risks, on players that have potential. The Leafs have not drafted a top 3 forward, since the days of Wendell Clark. Most of the teams in the east, have such a player on their roster. See Huberdeau in Florida, Stamkos in Tampa and the list goes on. We don't have that.

I would take Getz....

Year Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 57 14 25 39 6 22 10 0 1 116 12.07
2006-07 Anh 82 25 33 58 17 66 11 1 6 203 12.32
2007-08 Anh 77 24 58 82 32 94 4 1 2 185 12.97
2008-09 Anh 81 25 66 91 5 121 9 0 2 227 11.01
2009-10 Anh 66 19 50 69 4 79 8 0 5 149 12.75
2010-11 Anh 67 19 57 76 14 35 7 0 4 117 16.24
2011-12 Anh 82 11 46 57 -11 75 4 0 4 185 5.95
2012-13 Anh 14 4 8 12 7 8 1 0 1 34 11.76
Career 526 141 343 484 74 500 54 2 25 1216 11.60

Career Postseason Stats
Totals
Totals Team GP G A Pts +/- PM PP SHG GWG S SPct.
2005-06 Anh 16 3 4 7 -3 13 2 0 1 38 7.89
2006-07 Anh 21 7 10 17 1 32 3 1 3 57 12.28
2007-08 Anh 6 2 3 5 -2 6 1 0 0 14 14.29
2008-09 Anh 13 4 14 18 3 25 1 0 0 25 16.00
2010-11 Anh 6 2 4 6 0 9 0 0 1 17 11.76
Career 62 18 35 53 -1 85 7 1 5 151 11.92

Plus he won a cup....
- DoctorNHL

and he has a goal and an assist tonight