if we could get Byfuglien, Subban and draft Jones? could you imagine..
- vejim

there are the dudes that put up point/game+ year-to-year, then there are guys that, due to variance, range from 50-70 year-to-year. you'll see courturier in that latter group and given his defensive contributions, gives him #1 center value, imo.
- OrangeBlack27

list em

j staal/bergeron. thought couturier does kind of skate like handzus
- OrangeBlack27

ya, the skating will likely keep him from becoming an offensive force. i'll take a p. bergeron any day of the week though. 20-25 goals and stellar defense.

j staal/bergeron. thought couturier does kind of skate like handzus
- OrangeBlack27

I was hoping he'd look stronger skating than what he's shown so far

Think Pitt. Cindy malkin staal. Think Philly g schenn cooter. Cooter will alway be 3rd line center in Philly and he's no staal. What do think his ceiling is? If you agree with my 18 g 25 asst then you have to move him while his stock is high. As long as you max that trade. Scoring winger young goalie #1 dman.
- SMS4016

Couturier has every bit of a chance to be as good as Jordan Staal, if not better. And he certainly has a chance to be a much better player then Brayden Schenn. I think the problem is that you're not seeing all of Couturier's game. Failing to mention his off the charts hockey sense and his future Selke level potential as a 2 way forward.

I was hoping he'd look stronger skating than what he's shown so far
- Just5

regardless, he's so damned smart and good with his stick that it makes up for it.

Yandle... really?

So give up a guy in coots who is a better defender and will likely end up putting up more points? Ill pass.

If I am trading Coots im doing it in a package to get an established #1 dman or a top end guy like Bogosian. Id have trouble even making that trade I think.
- jak521

We need puck mover pp guy. Yandle was example. These dmen are out there. I don't care if they give up cooter and whatever else. Point isTeams need centers. We have g schenn Laughton coots a huge asset. Get a perry bernier yandle take your pick. Fill a major need for now and future.

j staal/bergeron. thought couturier does kind of skate like handzus
- OrangeBlack27

maybe that's why I have a hard time seeing his potential. He's such an ugly slow-looking skater. He looks very thin and easlily out-muscled. I'm also concerned by accounts that he's a very shy quiet kid. Makes me feel like he doesn't have a lot of confidence. It's easier for me to see the potential in a guy like B Schenn.

regardless, he's so damned smart and good with his stick that it makes up for it.
- OrangeBlack27

If you're a great skater but have no idea of where to be, what good is it? That's why a player like Couturier may not be a great skater, but he can play fast. Due to his anticipation and hockey sense.

maybe that's why I have a hard time seeing his potential. He's such an ugly slow-looking skater. He looks very thin and easlily out-muscled. I'm also concerned by accounts that he's a very shy quiet kid. Makes me feel like he doesn't have a lot of confidence. It's easier for me to see the potential in a guy like B Schenn.
- Dkos

He's 20 years old. Wait a few years until he matures physically. When a kid can come in and play in the NHL as a 19 year old in the situations he has. There isn't a confidence issue.

regardless, he's so damned smart and good with his stick that it makes up for it.
- OrangeBlack27

Homer will keep Cooty and Schenn just to prove he made the right decision trading Richards and Carter. I think they will both be very good players in time

j staal/bergeron. thought couturier does kind of skate like handzus
- OrangeBlack27

gonna need some serious work at the dot though. to say the least

Ahhh... the Couturier Love Brigade rears their ugly heads again. It was just a matter of days I guess.

Couturier has every bit of a chance to be as good as Jordan Staal, if not better. And he certainly has a chance to be a much better player then Brayden Schenn. I think the problem is that you're not seeing all of Couturier's game. Failing to mention his off the charts hockey sense and his future Selke level potential as a 2 way forward.
- MJL

I luv Coots but he seems kinda slow this year.

We need puck mover pp guy. Yandle was example. These dmen are out there. I don't care if they give up cooter and whatever else. Point isTeams need centers. We have g schenn Laughton coots a huge asset. Get a perry bernier yandle take your pick. Fill a major need for now and future.
- SMS4016

We do need a puck mover. But you don't trade a player like Couturier for a player like Yandle.
What makes you think that Bernier is so good?

I luv Coots but he seems kinda slow this year.
- FlyerLifer

You have to expect growing pains with a young player. Hell, Giroux seems slow this year.

Ahhh... the Couturier Love Brigade rears their ugly heads again. It was just a matter of days I guess.
- mayorofangrytown

Not seeing what's unreasonable about big expectations for Couturier, but that's just me.

I would not make any of the trades that you suggest. All bad deals in my opinion. 32 is nothing for a Goalie. Bryzgalov can easily play, and play well into his late 30's. Bernier and Schnieder are unproven.
- MJL

Hasek was unproven in Chicago too. Soo you want this team to run the coarse. So no cup coming. You'll be saying same thing in 5 years that has been going on for last 40. So in 5 years when we've wasted g then what. This team NEEDS youth in goal and #1 dman then in 2 or 3 years we explode

coots does not remind me of a bad skater, richards and subban are sloppy skaters

You have to expect growing pains with a young player. Hell, Giroux seems slow this year.
- MJL

do the flyers have a skating coach?

You have to expect growing pains with a young player. Hell, Giroux seems slow this year.
- MJL

If he can put it all together he will be fun to watch indeed.

if SC14 becomes a 70 pt player, ill floss with OB27's beard. I just dont see either happening.
- flyfan1212

bookmark

Hasek was unproven in Chicago too. Soo you want this team to run the coarse. So no cup coming. You'll be saying same thing in 5 years that has been going on for last 40. So in 5 years when we've wasted g then what. This team NEEDS youth in goal and #1 dman then in 2 or 3 years we explode
- SMS4016

This team already has the Goalie it needs. They do need a #1 D man. So propose a deal involving Couturier for a #1 D man, and we'll talk.

list em
- flyfan1212

fu i will. obviously all different styles of players, but guys who are up and down in that 50-70 pt area every year

vanek, pominville, sharp, bergeron, krejci, ribeiro, pavelski, weiss, plekanec, and i bet fleishmann, wheeler, parenteau, purcell are prob some of those guys now

Couturier is vital to this team's success. More so that any puck-mover (Subban included) that they could acquire. He takes all tough minutes against other team's top lines and does it so well, and the fact that he can contribute on the offensive side -- hopefully blossoming into a regular 20g/30a guy -- makes him invaluable.

I'm conservative on his offensive output, not as a slight to his off. skills, but because he's likely playing with fellow defensive-oriented wings and constantly starting out in the defensive zone vs. other team's top lines.

Similar to Braydon Coburn on the defensive side.