What are the Avs angling for? Revenue sharing too? Hell, the Leafs already pay for about 4 U.S. based teams to stay alive. Might as well make it 5!

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O'Reilly is an awesome 2nd line quality center - even though he would be our best do we really want to pay that much money for another 2nd line center?
- Cooshie

O'Reilly would be worth overpaying in monetary terms, but not in a trade. If the Leafs could swindle the Avalanche (something that's happened before), paying O'Reilly 4.5 to 5 million dollars is a risk worth taking because his two-way ability and potential is indeed really good as a young 2nd line center. All they would have to do is trade Grabovski.

It would be interesting to see if the Leafs could manage a three way trade with a team that would be interested in taking Grabovski (Colorado wouldn't like his salary). But three way deals in the NHL are pretty rare these days.

O'Reilly would be worth overpaying in monetary terms, but not in a trade. If the Leafs could swindle the Avalanche (something that's happened before), paying O'Reilly 4.5 to 5 million dollars is a risk worth taking because his two-way ability and potential is indeed really good as a young 2nd line center. All they would have to do is trade Grabovski.

It would be interesting to see if the Leafs could manage a three way trade with a team that would be interested in taking Grabovski (Colorado wouldn't like his salary). But three way deals in the NHL are pretty rare these days.
- Two_For_Truth

I agree with you and for some reason I see Washington getting involved with either Grabo or Kule going there

O'Reilly would be worth overpaying in monetary terms, but not in a trade. If the Leafs could swindle the Avalanche (something that's happened before), paying O'Reilly 4.5 to 5 million dollars is a risk worth taking because his two-way ability and potential is indeed really good as a young 2nd line center. All they would have to do is trade Grabovski.

It would be interesting to see if the Leafs could manage a three way trade with a team that would be interested in taking Grabovski (Colorado wouldn't like his salary). But three way deals in the NHL are pretty rare these days.
- Two_For_Truth

O'Reilly sucks, just move on. He's not worth a discussion.

I agree with you and for some reason I see Washington getting involved with either Grabo or Kule going there
- coolehmon41

I'd throw Liles into the mix too if need be. He's a familiar face for the Avalanche, not too expensive and they need veteran help on defense. Kind of like when Beauchemin was traded back to Anaheim.

If the Leafs could manage to send Grabovski to another team, Liles to the Avalanche and end up with O'Reilly at 4.5 to 5 million, they'd be better off because of it.

O'Reilly sucks, just move on. He's not worth a discussion.
- sloppyseconds2

He's not a 1st line center but he's young enough and well rounded enough to be a solid 2nd line center for a long time. If the Avalanche weren't broke and didn't have such a huge hang up about giving him more than Duchene, he'd already be signed and playing.

He's not a 1st line center but he's young enough and well rounded enough to be a solid 2nd line center for a long time. If the Avalanche weren't broke and didn't have such a huge hang up about giving him more than Duchene, he'd already be signed and playing.
- Two_For_Truth

don

The Avs are broke? lol
They just don't see his value that high, nor do I

So why is Fraser sitting out? Gunnarsson and Gardiner sit and wait until someone gets injured or moved.
- coolehmon41

Gunnar and Gardiner are a massive upgrade over Fraser and Holzer. Sooner or later their luck is gonna run out. Lets not be stupid about this and lets put real nhl calibre players back in the line up. If we can trade Liles that would be good too. Holzer is good enough to be an NHL regular but to think he's better than Gunnar or Gards is not using your head. Leafs need to make some trades.. I can see Grabo, Liles, Holzer, MacA, Kuli, and maybe even Brown being traded.

He's not a 1st line center but he's young enough and well rounded enough to be a solid 2nd line center for a long time. If the Avalanche weren't broke and didn't have such a huge hang up about giving him more than Duchene, he'd already be signed and playing.
- Two_For_Truth

The Leafs need top line players, particulatly a center.. O'reilly si neither. If we could trade Grabo to bring him in im fine with that but i don't see it as a huge upgrade

The Leafs need top line players, particulatly a center.. O'reilly si neither. If we could trade Grabo to bring him in im fine with that but i don't see it as a huge upgrade
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Defensively, it's a huge upgrade. Also, O'Reilly is 22 turning 23. Grabovski is 29.

Fun fact: O'Reilly led the entire league in takeaways last year. More than Datsyuk, Toews, Kopitar and any other defensive center you can think to name. At such a young age, that's a huge asset. Just one small example of how polished he is defensively. He's also been in the top 10 in takeaways every year he's been in the league. He's a very good face-off taker and he can play in all situations. Home town kid too.

He's not a 1st line center and probably never will be but at the right price, he's a definite upgrade in other areas.

Defensively, it's a huge upgrade. Also, O'Reilly is 22 turning 23. Grabovski is 29.

Fun fact: O'Reilly led the entire league in takeaways last year. More than Datsyuk, Toews, Kopitar and any other defensive center you can think to name. At such a young age, that's a huge asset. Just one small example of how polished he is defensively. He's also been in the top 10 in takeaways every year he's been in the league. He's a very good face-off taker and he can play in all situations. Home town kid too.

He's not a 1st line center and probably never will be but at the right price, he's a definite upgrade in other areas.
- Two_For_Truth

takeaways? what kinda of ridiculous stat is that? If his takeaways were so important you'd think he would muster more than 50 pts? Im not saying he sucks but some of us aren't buying into the hype. Theres no way the Leafs are paying this guy what he's demanding. He's pretty much the same player as Bozak but not as good on face offs. PASS.

What is up with Mark Fraser, getting no respect? I think he has been playing extremely well, compared to others.
He is on the leaderboard in +/- .... for the whole darn league.

It has been awhile since we have seen that stat with a Leafs D-man... No?

Fraser Stays! The whole season! He is a Carlye type player.

Gunnar was not playing very well, before he got injured IMO. And he just said in an interview the other night on Fan590, that he will not be 100%, when he gets back... Not this season, anyways. That is scary for a player to admit, almost mid-season.

What is up with Mark Fraser, getting no respect? I think he has been playing extremely well, compared to others.
He is on the leaderboard in +/- .... for the whole darn league.

It has been awhile since we have seen that stat with a Leafs D-man... No?

Fraser Stays! The whole season! He is a Carlye type player.

Gunnar was not playing very well, before he got injured IMO. And he just said in an interview the other night on Fan590, that he will not be 100%, when he gets back... Not this season, anyways. That is scary for a player to admit, almost mid-season.
- Abacus

You had me until "the whole season." Let the guy play, if he starts to falter we obviously have guys to step in for him. But that should go with any player on any roster.

Next Years Defense..

Phaneuf Rielly
Gardiner Kostka
Gunnar Franson
Holzer

Percy, Blacker, Finn on the farm... Liles and Fraser are gone.

Next Years Defense..

Phaneuf Rielly
Gardiner Kostka
Gunnar Franson
Holzer

Percy, Blacker, Finn on the farm... Liles and Fraser are gone.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

switch out Gunnar for Fraser. Fraser is tougher and bigger and tougher to play against. That's the team and type of Dmen Randy wants

switch out Gunnar for Fraser. Fraser is tougher and bigger and tougher to play against. That's the team and type of Dmen Randy wants
- shmenge

Nahh.

I don't care either way but Gunnar has a lot more upside. Don't let the +/- confuse you.

I seriously think u are undervaluing the value of a 22 yr old PMD. Remember what Goligoski fetched?
- coolehmon41

A guy in his 3rd year (who started in the NHL at 21, not a8) who scored 50ish pts?

The Leafs have been winning and playing well without him. I'm willing to bet that he is a member of the Avalanche by the end of the month, and we'll welcome home Ryan O'reilly
- Falon

Leafs havent played well the last couple games. The Carolina game was a mess and complete team fail. The game against Ottawa wasn't even that good of a game. It was lucky win. They're far from playing the way they did during that 4 game win streak. Lets hope they can get back to playing the way have been on this road trip and keep themselves in a playoff spot!

So your saying you want to sit the Dman who is plus 11 in 12 games?
- poohcrumbs

it's rather funny isn't it.

The Leafs need top line players, particulatly a center.. O'reilly si neither. If we could trade Grabo to bring him in im fine with that but i don't see it as a huge upgrade
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Next Years Defense..

Phaneuf Rielly
Gardiner Kostka
Gunnar Franson
Holzer

Percy, Blacker, Finn on the farm... Liles and Fraser are gone.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Doubt Rielly is on the team next year, and Finn cannot play in the AHL next year.

Nahh.

I don't care either way but Gunnar has a lot more upside. Don't let the +/- confuse you.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yeah it's all +/-, it has nothing to do with how he's playing at all. Physically dominating the Dzone, fighting, standing up for his team, clearing the from of the net.

Yeah it's all +/-, it has nothing to do with how he's playing at all. Physically dominating the Dzone, fighting, standing up for his team, clearing the from of the net.
- burn

Agreed. Keep Fraser. Move Liles or Gunnar out.

Nahh.

I don't care either way but Gunnar has a lot more upside. Don't let the +/- confuse you.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

the point for me is, Gunnar has more value in a trade. I'm not confused, it's a question of dealing from strength, which is our "D" Gunnar and Liles can be replaced to upgrade our top six