What are those 2 going to command in 2-3 years ? 8-9 $ mil/year ?
- philco28

Gosh I hope not

I'd like to think Toews would sign a contract with a lower AAV (and a huge signing bonus) and encourage Kane to do the same in order to have as much cap available to use on effective players. Granted, the cap space actually has to be put to use by a GM...

What are those 2 going to command in 2-3 years ? 8-9 $ mil/year ?
- philco28

Sorry bud, I meant the Sharp and Hossa contracts, but you are right what will those two cost us.

Toews won't be gready, he will finish his career a Hawk. Kane I don't know about, but he will help restock the shelves if he's needed to be traded.

Sorry bud, I meant the Sharp and Hossa contracts, but you are right what will those two cost us.

Toews won't be gready, he will finish his career a Hawk. Kane I don't know about, but he will help restock the shelves if he's needed to be traded.
- hawksbuzz

That's what I thought about Roenick and Cheli...

That's what I thought about Roenick and Cheli...
- Ogilthorpe2

And then the Blackhawks traded them because the Blackhawks were cheap... Hard to really pin that on those two w/ greed.

Certainly overall, Hossa is the second bet player on this team.

He has no real shot, no moves on the breakaway (thus don't put him on the SO), not bad - but not great - at the hack-and-whack - he needs to surprise the goalie with a quick wrist shot, hopefully using an opponent as a screen, to score consistently, or an open net after a quick pass by Kane.
- StLBravesFan

I guess that was his knuckleball he blew past Kari Lehtonen in OT down in Big D. And probably his changeup past Kiprusoff when he tied the game in Calgary.

450+ NHL goals aint too shabby for a guy with no real shot.

I guess that was his knuckleball he blew past Kari Lehtonen in OT down in Big D. And probably his changeup past Kiprusoff when he tied the game in Calgary.

450+ NHL goals aint too shabby for a guy with no real shot.
- RickJ

I don't think anyone is knocking his overall game now, or his goal scoring prowess in the past...just saying since he's been here, his offensive numbers have failed to live up to the expectations he set for himself.

What else are we supposed to complain about when they're 12-0-3?

And then the Blackhawks traded them because the Blackhawks were cheap... Hard to really pin that on those two w/ greed.
- HawkFan27

$ Bill Wirtz and Harold Ballard, the two worst owners of all time, best buds too. Ran both of their organizations into the ground.

And then the Blackhawks traded them because the Blackhawks were cheap... Hard to really pin that on those two w/ greed.
- HawkFan27

I guess I meant the Blackhawks for life part moreso than the greedy part.

I guess I meant the Blackhawks for life part moreso than the greedy part.
- Ogilthorpe2

Thinking about that Chelios trade after the comments he made about Detroit still hurt even today.

*Shudder* back in the dark days of this franchise I never would have imagined starting a season with a 4 game point streak, let alone a 15-game point streak several years removed from a Cup win...

Thinking about that Chelios trade after the comments he made about Detroit still hurt even today.

*Shudder* back in the dark days of this franchise I never would have imagined starting a season with a 4 game point streak, let alone a 15-game point streak several years removed from a Cup win...
- prd797[/quote]

Those days are over, Rocky is a great owner, a huge Hawks fan!

This Team is in very good hands.

I guess that was his knuckleball he blew past Kari Lehtonen in OT down in Big D. And probably his changeup past Kiprusoff when he tied the game in Calgary.

450+ NHL goals aint too shabby for a guy with no real shot.
- RickJ

One of the quick passes from Kane and an open net - as I referenced in my post.

He is a terrific 3-zone player, 2nd MVP on the team - but since he's been here - at least since the Cup year - his goals are more opportunistic than creative (not really the word I want, but....)

I, however, DO NOT mind his contact - don't know that they win the last Cup without him, don't know they win the next one without him. You can't get the puck away from him, and if you do, he'll get it back.

Thought the bottom six played great hockey today. Kruger and Shaw continue to impress. Bickell was looking to kill someone as they were ferocious on the forecheck. Saw some Hendricks play with the Caps tonight. Sets up in front, hits, stays engaged. I'll take him rotating on the LW up and down the lineup with Carcillo...makes for some physical play.

Have the Jackets every been on Sunday game of the week?
- Beaver-Warrior

Not sure...

I don't think anyone is knocking his overall game now, or his goal scoring prowess in the past...just saying since he's been here, his offensive numbers have failed to live up to the expectations he set for himself.

What else are we supposed to complain about when they're 12-0-3?
- Ogilthorpe2

Big mistake to measure everything by statistics in this game.

Lots of guys will score more goals than Hoss in a season. But would you trade him for a Patty Marleau or Jeff Carter or Daniel Sedin? Not likely.

And how many points would he have if Kane was his winger instead of a rookie like Saad. Probably a lot more than he has right now.

I don't think anyone is knocking his overall game now, or his goal scoring prowess in the past...just saying since he's been here, his offensive numbers have failed to live up to the expectations he set for himself.

What else are we supposed to complain about when they're 12-0-3?
- Ogilthorpe2

Big mistake to measure everything by statistics in this game.

Lots of guys will score more goals than Hoss in a season. But would you trade him for a Patty Marleau or Jeff Carter or Daniel Sedin? Not likely.

And how many points would he have if Kane was his winger instead of a rookie like Saad. Probably a lot more than he has right now.

What are those 2 going to command in 2-3 years ? 8-9 $ mil/year ?
- philco28

Slow down with all this clown window crap. Focus on tomorrow, next week and this season. Any farther out you bring into account 1 million assumptions. Besides it does not matter one single iota, will not change how one guy approaches a game.

One of the quick passes from Kane and an open net - as I referenced in my post.

He is a terrific 3-zone player, 2nd MVP on the team - but since he's been here - at least since the Cup year - his goals are more opportunistic than creative (not really the word I want, but....)

I, however, DO NOT mind his contact - don't know that they win the last Cup without him, don't know they win the next one without him. You can't get the puck away from him, and if you do, he'll get it back.
- StLBravesFan

What you want is a combination of Bobby Hull and Gil Perrault. Doesn't exist in today's game. I'm happy with him as he is.

One of the quick passes from Kane and an open net - as I referenced in my post.

He is a terrific 3-zone player, 2nd MVP on the team - but since he's been here - at least since the Cup year - his goals are more opportunistic than creative (not really the word I want, but....)

I, however, DO NOT mind his contact - don't know that they win the last Cup without him, don't know they win the next one without him. You can't get the puck away from him, and if you do, he'll get it back.
- StLBravesFan

What you want is a combination of Bobby Hull and Gil Perrault. Doesn't exist in today's game. I'm happy with him as he is.

One of the quick passes from Kane and an open net - as I referenced in my post.

He is a terrific 3-zone player, 2nd MVP on the team - but since he's been here - at least since the Cup year - his goals are more opportunistic than creative (not really the word I want, but....)

I, however, DO NOT mind his contact - don't know that they win the last Cup without him, don't know they win the next one without him. You can't get the puck away from him, and if you do, he'll get it back.
- StLBravesFan

What you want is a combination of Bobby Hull and Gil Perrault. Doesn't exist in today's game. I'm happy with him as he is.

The Kings are big and slow; make them chase the puck like they did in the first 2 periods and they will never beat the Hawks. Fall asleep in the 3rd and take 4 bad penalties and the Kings will make a game of it. Worst lead in hockey: 3-0.
- RickJ

My gosh reading through the thread during the 3rd period.....you think they got blown out. Can't wait to read all the under-the-bus comments during and after they get that first regulation loss.

RJ's pts are right on. The Kings are the Sharks only living in LA not San Jose.

Some great things in that gme. My gosh that 1st goal sprung by Krugs/Frolik/Bolig forecheck and board work. Krugs gets to the net...Quick loses his stick..Bolig lightly pushes it further out of Quick's reach. Seabs sees this and makes a stealth run for the low circle weakside looking for the one timer and he gets perfect delivery from Keith.

And how about that 2nd goal on the PP...Shaw active in front of Quick. Toews sets up weakside on the goal mouth and Keith delivers another beauty for Toews to wack in.

The Hawks owned this team the first 2 periods. I remember all the hand wringing of the big bad physical Ducks, Sharks and Kings coming to the UC.

The Hawks ran circles and outplayed and out hustled all 3 of these teams for 8 periods while allowing 3 goals before the bad 3rd vs the Kings

I don't think anyone is knocking his overall game now, or his goal scoring prowess in the past...just saying since he's been here, his offensive numbers have failed to live up to the expectations he set for himself.

What else are we supposed to complain about when they're 12-0-3?
- Ogilthorpe2

All of you guys really need to find something else to female dog about. All you ignorant posters who are loving to cite stats need to get your numbers straight before you post dumb comments. As far as Hossa not having a 30 goal season with the Hawks yet, consider this.

2009-2010 - 57 games, 24 goals (projects over 30+ if close to a full season played)
2010-2011 - 65 games, 25 goals (projects over 30+ if close to a full season played)
2011-2012 - 81 games, 29 goals

Has he been streaky at times? Yes. But who hasn't been streaky.

Been in Clearwater all day at daughters swim meet. Watched the game on my phone via nbcsports app. Was cool.

So as I catch up here, I missed so much. Starting with the trap game suggestion. Gosh I am glad I missed that. JJ this team has not lost in regulation, it is a streak. Streaks good and bad trump any/all trap game designations.

Phil...Hawks Choke...WTF bro. This is the NHL. Stuff happens. You accurately pointed out we were let down by our better forward lines, but this is hockey, these guys are human, and are not machines. Good for Hawks in getting out to a lead.

Was it Dpard who said we need a bigger line 4. Cuz how can we match up. Hey, as I have said to JJ and promoted, the question is for the Kings and rest of NHL to say, Holy Shat, how in the duck do we match up and find the speed to keep up with these guys?

The obsession and assumed belief that we lost last 2 playoff series because we were no big/tough enough is very overplayed. Yes I know playoff hockey, but 10 hits does not = a power play goal. That last year was the biggest problem.

To repeat, this team has embraced who they are and are not wasting their time trying to prove how tough or whatever people want them to be. Finishing checks, back checking and playing with a purpose for 60 mins is a solid way to play.

And for those saying this is not playoff hockey, well with a short season every game is like a playoff game, to assume that teams are just cruising now waiting for playoffs to get intense and bring their best game is nuts.

Talk of Sharp, then Hossa, chalk that up to your team being 12-0-3 and having nothing else to talk about.

So who will be the first Sally on the next thread saying we are lucky or that they have a bad feeling about the next game?

Chance for history Tuesday. Lets enjoy this.

All of you guys really need to find something else to female dog about. All you ignorant posters who are loving to cite stats need to get your numbers straight before you post dumb comments. As far as Hossa not having a 30 goal season with the Hawks yet, consider this.

2009-2010 - 57 games, 24 goals (projects over 30+ if close to a full season played)
2010-2011 - 65 games, 25 goals (projects over 30+ if close to a full season played)
2011-2012 - 81 games, 29 goals

Has he been streaky at times? Yes. But who hasn't been streaky.
- Dannyboy

Yes...Hossa is streaky and remember what he is coming back from. Some thought he would never a play again. He had some great looks the last 3-4 gmes...didn't happen. Still in the top 2 or 3 all around playersm in the NHL. I recall alot of whining about never being matched with a quality center in his time with the Hwks...now he is matched with Toews...doesn't mean he is going to light it up every nite.

Sorry bud, I meant the Sharp and Hossa contracts, but you are right what will those two cost us.

Toews won't be gready, he will finish his career a Hawk. Kane I don't know about, but he will help restock the shelves if he's needed to be traded.
- hawksbuzz

Won't be greedy? He will get paid market value. You really don't see him or any other marquee player in any professional league taking less money for the good of the team. That statement or assumption is such a crock. They will get paid what they are worth or what the market bears.

Big mistake to measure everything by statistics in this game.

Lots of guys will score more goals than Hoss in a season. But would you trade him for a Patty Marleau or Jeff Carter or Daniel Sedin? Not likely.

And how many points would he have if Kane was his winger instead of a rookie like Saad. Probably a lot more than he has right now.
- RickJ

I'm not mesuring everything by stats...as I've already said, he's obviously one of the best all around, 3-zone players in the league.

Fact: The year before he came to the Hawks, (and several years before that) he was a 40/30 player. I didn't watch a lot of Detroit games that year, am I wrong to assume that while he was scoring those 40+ goals and adding 30+ assists he was the same, solid, all around player that he is today?

All I have said is that I expected a little more offense from the guy. Given his contract and past history, I don't think those expectaions are all that unreasonable.

As far as having Saad for a linemate, you may be right, but you could just as easily make the case that if Hossa would pass the puck to him once in while maybe Saad (and Hossa by way of assists) is off to a better start. Personally, I'd like to see Hossa and Bolland together, as they've had some success together in the past.