fair enough. but my original point was about Ottawa, and that i don't think you can say that Reimer's absence in Toronto is just as catastrophic as Karlsson's in Ottawa.
- scotch_tape

Yeah, for sure. Losing a Norris trophy winner and the leagues 5th leading scorer is by far worse of the two. Our first line has been hobbled by Lupuls injury, thats about it. The frattin injury hurts too, I mean colton orr with Kadri is hilarious, I actually like the reimer injury, now we get to see what scrivens can or can't do and maybe gives rynnas another go at the NHL too. if neither can handle it, send them packing.

fair enough. but my original point was about Ottawa, and that i don't think you can say that Reimer's absence in Toronto is just as catastrophic as Karlsson's in Ottawa.
- scotch_tape

Losing Karlsson is unrivaled to any team in the league right now. Not even the Penguins losing Crosby is as bad as the Senators losing Karlsson simply because the Penguins had Malkin to fall back on. The Senators have nothing close to Karlsson to fall back on. Add to that Spezza's absense and you have little to no hope of ever scoring more than 1 or 2 goals a game.

This is almost identical to the season the Senators had two years ago where Spezza, Alfredsson and Michalek all missed long periods of time due to injury and the Senators were in the basement for the year.

Yeah, for sure. Losing a Norris trophy winner and the leagues 5th leading scorer is by far worse of the two. Our first line has been hobbled by Lupuls injury, thats about it. The frattin injury hurts too, I mean colton orr with Kadri is hilarious, I actually like the reimer injury, now we get to see what scrivens can or can't do and maybe gives rynnas another go at the NHL too. if neither can handle it, send them packing.
- mykokes

well a shutout last night, no matter who it was against, is pretty impressive for Scirvens. he seems like he can at least carry the load for small stretches. which is better than your Toskala/Raycroft days.

on an unrelated note, i despise Steve Ott. what an absolute slime that guy is.

fair enough. but my original point was about Ottawa, and that i don't think you can say that Reimer's absence in Toronto is just as catastrophic as Karlsson's in Ottawa.
- scotch_tape

The point is, if you're relying on one or two guys to win every night (Ottawa) you've got awful depth. The Senators just aren't a very well-constructed team. Good teams can lose their best skater for significant time and still remain competitive. The same can't always be said about their starting goalie. On your average team, losing the starting goalie is just as bad, if not worse, than losing any one skater. Ottawa, of course, isn't your average team. Outside of their starting five they're kind of a joke.

So is losing Karlsson more catastrophic for Ottawa than losing Reimer is for Toronto? Yeah, probably, but that has less to do with how good Karlsson is and more to do with how little depth they have. If Pittsburgh can do without Crosby for a year, a good team should be able to do without Karlsson.

The point is, if you're relying on one or two guys to win every night (Ottawa) you've got awful depth. The Senators just aren't a very well-constructed team. Good teams can lose their best skater for significant time and still remain competitive. The same can't always be said about their starting goalie. On your average team, losing the starting goalie is just as bad, if not worse, than losing any one skater. Ottawa, of course, isn't your average team. Outside of their starting five they're kind of a joke.

So is losing Karlsson more catastrophic for Ottawa than losing Reimer is for Toronto? Yeah, probably, but that has less to do with how good Karlsson is and more to do with how little depth they have. If Pittsburgh can do without Crosby for a year, a good team should be able to do without Karlsson.
- Jeffmt

You're acting as if the only player currently missing from the Senators lineup is

Ottawa is currently down their top dman, their top centre, and their top LW. That's their 3 top point producers from last year, and their best defenseman. They are also down a top-4 defenseman for the season.

How far into the playoffs would the Penguins get without Crosby, Neal, and Letang, and Orpik?

How many teams in the league can shrug off the loss of their 3 top scorers, their best overall player, and their 3rd best defenseman?

Raycroft won 37 games one year.

Who cares!
- Two_For_Truth

nooooooooooooooobbbbbbboooooooodddddddddddyyyyyyyyyy

You're acting as if the only player currently missing from the Senators lineup is

Ottawa is currently down their top dman, their top centre, and their top LW. That's their 3 top point producers from last year, and their best defenseman. They are also down a top-4 defenseman for the season.

How far into the playoffs would the Penguins get without Crosby, Neal, and Letang, and Orpik?

How many teams in the league can shrug off the loss of their 3 top scorers, their best overall player, and their 3rd best defenseman?
- Mr_Clean

so what you are saying is. that the Leafs injuries are players of no significance so they should be able to still win games and that Ottawa is finished

You're acting as if the only player currently missing from the Senators lineup is

Ottawa is currently down their top dman, their top centre, and their top LW. That's their 3 top point producers from last year, and their best defenseman. They are also down a top-4 defenseman for the season.

How far into the playoffs would the Penguins get without Crosby, Neal, and Letang, and Orpik?

How many teams in the league can shrug off the loss of their 3 top scorers, their best overall player, and their 3rd best defenseman?
- Mr_Clean

The Leafs are missing a first line winger, their top goal scorer, their starting goalie, and they haven't had their best defenseman all season. Injuries happen. You're right, Ottawa has taken a huge hit but that doesn't change the fact that they've got horrible depth.

Canucks fans make me laugh...

Seriosuly, We all know Schneider is an elite goaltender. His goals last night were results of turnovers, Tip ins and bad defensive coverage.

People calm down.
- vancity787

Like, really? Schneider is elite? Umm, no. He's got like 80 games under his belt, and has lost the starters job again. He hasn't even proven himself capable of being a starter.

Here
Cory, edler, schoeder, raymond
Kane bogosian and a first
Wpg gets a young forward with another forward that had good chemistry with jordan
They also get an elite defensemen with a goalie that can either play well or worst
We get a talented 30 goal scorer in kane that can probably can score 50 if he gets paired with the sedins..
We also get a good potential defenseman that can turn out to be an elite dman in the now or in the next year
- RF_4eva

they also see to think Edler is elite. Umm, no, again.

Schneider, Booth + barker for Kane, Stuart + 1st.
- Scooby_Doo

And then they try sell their junk for good players.

I honestly think most Canucks fans are dumb as rocks.

Canucks fans make me laugh...



Like, really? Schneider is elite? Umm, no. He's got like 80 games under his belt, and has lost the starters job again. He hasn't even proven himself capable of being a starter.



they also see to think Edler is elite. Umm, no, again.


And then they try sell their junk for good players.

I honestly think most Canucks fans are dumb as rocks.
- prock

They seem to be confused about what "elite" actually means.

so what you are saying is. that the Leafs injuries are players of no significance so they should be able to still win games and that Ottawa is finished
- bobbyisno1

again, it's the concentration of injuries. all of Ottawa's injuries directly affect their goal output. Toronto's are more scattered throughout: offence, D, goaltending. the Sens offence (their core strength) has essentially been decapitated. i don't know of a team in the league that can deal with the injuries Ottawa's been dealt. it's not about being built improperly. that's like saying the Wings were built improperly because they're having trouble replacing Lidstrom.

The Leafs are missing a first line winger, their top goal scorer, their starting goalie, and they haven't had their best defenseman all season. Injuries happen. You're right, Ottawa has taken a huge hit but that doesn't change the fact that they've got horrible depth.
- Jeffmt

Lets be serious though. Ottawas hit is way worse. they are a top heavy team while the leafs have a higher skill on average. Lupol < spezza gunnar<<<<<<<<<

Lets be serious though. Ottawas hit is way worse. they are a top heavy team while the leafs have a higher skill on average. Lupol < spezza gunnar<<<<<<<<<
- kylkri

They're hit way worse because they have no depth.

well a shutout last night, no matter who it was against, is pretty impressive for Scirvens. he seems like he can at least carry the load for small stretches. which is better than your Toskala/Raycroft days.

on an unrelated note, i despise Steve Ott. what an absolute slime that guy is.
- scotch_tape

Nope. Wrong. It's being blown way out of the water. Leafs have gon 4-1 in their last 5. What happened in that one loss? Exactly. Some people say they can't win them all...well why the (frank) not? If they had Anderson they would

The point is, if you're relying on one or two guys to win every night (Ottawa) you've got awful depth. The Senators just aren't a very well-constructed team. Good teams can lose their best skater for significant time and still remain competitive. The same can't always be said about their starting goalie. On your average team, losing the starting goalie is just as bad, if not worse, than losing any one skater. Ottawa, of course, isn't your average team. Outside of their starting five they're kind of a joke.

So is losing Karlsson more catastrophic for Ottawa than losing Reimer is for Toronto? Yeah, probably, but that has less to do with how good Karlsson is and more to do with how little depth they have. If Pittsburgh can do without Crosby for a year, a good team should be able to do without Karlsson.
- Jeffmt

Which is true, they have terrible depth. All these great young forwards they've been chirping about.... Silfverberg and Zibanejad don't even look like they belong in the NHL.

They're hit way worse because they have no depth.
- Jeffmt

no, they're hit way worse because they have better player than Toronto.

you talk about this depth, meanwhile going into last night's game, Leafs and Sens were tied in the standings...

Lets be serious though. Ottawas hit is way worse. they are a top heavy team while the leafs have a higher skill on average. Lupol < spezza gunnar<<<<<<<<<
- kylkri

Well, then maybe it's not a good idea to make your number 1 forward a guy who nearly never plays a full season.

no, they're hit way worse because they have better player than Toronto.

you talk about this depth, meanwhile going into last night's game, Leafs and Sens were tied in the standings...
- scotch_tape

and past their first 2 or 3 players, their team sucks. Like, really sucks.

no, they're hit way worse because they have better player than Toronto.

you talk about this depth, meanwhile going into last night's game, Leafs and Sens were tied in the standings...
- scotch_tape

This is exactly my point. When both healthy, Ottawa has better players than Toronto, I'm not disputing that. When both teams lose some of their top guys, Ottawa is way worse off. Hence, no depth. Come on.

This is exactly my point. When both healthy, Ottawa has better players than Toronto, I'm not disputing that. When both teams lose some of their top guys, Ottawa is way worse off. Hence, no depth. Come on.
- Jeffmt

Beyond Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson, they have nothing. And given that Karlsson can't play D, and is small and soft, and Spezza is constantly injured, that's not good.

Beyond Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson, they have nothing. And given that Karlsson can't play D, and is small and soft, and Spezza is constantly injured, that's not good.
- prock

Sry but you'd kill to have Karlsson on your team. Any team would.

Beyond Karlsson, Spezza and Anderson, they have nothing. And given that Karlsson can't play D, and is small and soft, and Spezza is constantly injured, that's not good.
- prock

I hope for their sake they're not seriously considering trading Anderson (unless they're doing a full rebuild). If they're going to be competitive next season and beyond, they have to lock him up for a few years.

I said all last year that Ottawa isn't as good as everyone was saying. The pundits had a hard-on for those guys the whole season. Basically everything went right for them. We're going to see what happens now that they have some adversity to deal with.

Sry but you'd kill to have Karlsson on your team. Any team would.
- sanfordnson

not right now.

Sry but you'd kill to have Karlsson on your team. Any team would.
- sanfordnson

True, but he's not totally wrong either.

Sry but you'd kill to have Karlsson on your team. Any team would.
- sanfordnson

Yeah, but you have to know how to use him. He's a huge offensive threat and a power play cornerstone but he's not much of a defender. You need a steady stay at home guy available to play big minutes and counter some of Karlsson's defensive deficiencies. They're next best defenseman is Gonchar, a guy pushing 40 who's no dynamo in his own end either.