yea, but they have a real prospect pool and Dupres was ready for ft duty...diff from the flyers who just have 3rd paring guys in waiting and the hot mess crew of foster, lilja and gervais. I like our nhl talent level better, but having letang on board is a gigantic type of asset the flyers lack.
- isaiah520

With few exceptions, every team has holes in their lineup. That's why they go out and make trades, especially at the deadline. No team drafts perfectly for every position on the ice. Which is why they have to supplement with trading excess at positions, and with Free Agency.

yea, but they have a real prospect pool and Dupres was ready for ft duty...diff from the flyers who just have 3rd paring guys in waiting and the hot mess crew of foster, lilja and gervais. I like our nhl talent level better, but having letang on board is a gigantic type of asset the flyers lack.
- isaiah520

Again, the question was did the team get better. Which they didn't in the short term.

None. As the Devils have showed. They have zero top dmen, and they beat the Flyers like a drum.
- PLindbergh31

They beat the Flyers for two main reasons: 1) Outside of the Fayne giveaway on the Read goal, they don't make the crippling areas in their own zone. 2) Brodeur acts a third d-man to clear the zone and still after all these years the Flyers don't dump it softly in a corner where Brodeur can't play it.

If the team decides to keep Schenn, Coots and Giroux as the top 3 centers.

Do you buy-out Briere?
- flyer_nutter

Based on what I have seen from Briere so far this year, I think he's definitely a candidate to be bought out. He may still have a wrist injury. See what he does the rest of the season and if he continues this level of play I would buy him out.

Why do they need to pay 6 mil for a 37 year old injury prone defenseman?

Worse case scenario - the Flyers miss the PO's. How will Timmo's signing help them get back next year?
- 77rams

Because there's very little help available in free agency and trade costs are at a premium.

And Timonen's fr from injury prone. 13 missed games in 6 years averages out to just over two missed games a year.

They beat the Flyers for two main reasons: 1) Outside of the Fayne giveaway on the Read goal, they don't make the crippling areas in their own zone. 2) Brodeur acts a third d-man to clear the zone and still after all these years the Flyers don't dump it softly in a corner where Brodeur can't play it.
- ravishingone

I can't wait for Brodeur, Elias, and Lamoriello, to get (frank)ing lost.

If we're going to say a guy is or isn't the best defenseman in the league, using a month of stats after a player spent the previous 7 months not playing at all is pretty short sighted, to say the least.
- Jsaquella

The real point is that a lot of people are using a month of stats on our players who have spent the same previous seven months not playing. Many good players are struggling. Many teams have injuries. They have to work through it and hang on until guys lke Giroux (who did play) get their game and others returrn from injury. Not wish that we can et Weber.

I agree with you. Talent wise the Devils aren't better than the Flyers. Laviolette hasn't made any adjustments, or at least we haven't seen any.

I don't know, the Flyers cupboard isn't empty, there are some nice pieces on this team, but they have some holes to fill. There is no quick fix.
- PLindbergh31

The Flyers have made a few adjustments defensively, but as far as an overall philosophy of play, they haven't and they won't. Laviolette is a puck pressure attacking Coach. He has had great success playing that way. He is not going to change that. I remember when he was hired, reading how great his system is. How much better of a system of play it was , then Stevens was. Who played a style similar to what NJ plays. Now we've come full circle and now Laviolette and his system is being called into question.

They beat the Flyers for two main reasons: 1) Outside of the Fayne giveaway on the Read goal, they don't make the crippling areas in their own zone. 2) Brodeur acts a third d-man to clear the zone and still after all these years the Flyers don't dump it softly in a corner where Brodeur can't play it.
- ravishingone

Brodeur would be our best puck mover if he joined our blueline.

There is no quick fix, which is why they extended Timonen. There's no one oth there that they can replace him with that gives them a long term fix. And if they do sign somebody else and have to give a longer term contract to, they run into more money committed to the cap in the summer of 2014, they have less room to re-sign Giroux, Schenn, Couurier and Read.
- Jsaquella

No doubt about that. Timonen on a one year deal, or overpaying some fringe guy on a 5 year deal is a no brainer.

No doubt about that. Timonen on a one year deal, or overpaying some fringe guy on a 5 year deal is a no brainer.
- PLindbergh31

Homer would never overpay a fringe guy

The real point is that a lot of people are using a month of stats on our players who have spent the same previous seven months not playing. Many good players are struggling. Many teams have injuries. They have to work through it and hang on until guys lke Giroux (who did play) get their game and others returrn from injury. Not wish that we can et Weber.
- strongsupporter

I agree wholeheartedly.

I have long said that I'm against making trades that are short term deals and that the Flyers should let the kids play.

At the same time, I've also pretty consistently said that going with such a young team mean you're going to have to deal with the inconsistency that comes with playing kids so much.

My concern is the lack of adjustments made, or at least their lack of effectiveness.

No doubt about that. Timonen on a one year deal, or overpaying some fringe guy on a 5 year deal is a no brainer.
- PLindbergh31

Well, there's a third option: more Liljas, Fosters, and Gervaiseseses.

Welcome back, Kimmo!

The Flyers have made a few adjustments defensively, but as far as an overall philosophy of play, they haven't and they won't. Laviolette is a puck pressure attacking Coach. He has had great success playing that way. He is not going to change that. I remember when he was hired, reading how great his system is. How much better of a system of play it was , then Stevens was. Who played a style similar to what NJ plays. Now we've come full circle and now Laviolette and his system is being called into question.
- MJL

The Organization knows what kind of coach Laviolette is. Do you feel this current roster is tailored to execute his system? If it's not, there is a disconnect that has to be fixed. And the easiest way to resolve that is to fire the coach. You can't fire the players.

None. As the Devils have showed. They have zero top dmen, and they beat the Flyers like a drum.
- PLindbergh31

What happened in the first period? Flyers were all over them. It's a team game. As far as I'm concerned, the Goaltender makes a few saves that in my opinion, he should've made. And the topic of conversation today is much different. Instead, it's panic and talk of the Coach being fired. And losing sight of the big picture.

They beat the Flyers for two main reasons: 1) Outside of the Fayne giveaway on the Read goal, they don't make the crippling areas in their own zone. 2) Brodeur acts a third d-man to clear the zone and still after all these years the Flyers don't dump it softly in a corner where Brodeur can't play it.
- ravishingone

There is nothing more frustrating then that statement!!!!!!!!



I do not understand how the Flyers haven't adjusted to Marty and change the way you dump the puck to chase it.

How about a soft dump or a dump across the zone to the opposite corner?

I agree wholeheartedly.

I have long said that I'm against making trades that are short term deals and that the Flyers should let the kids play.

At the same time, I've also pretty consistently said that going with such a young team mean you're going to have to deal with the inconsistency that comes with playing kids so much.

My concern is the lack of adjustments made, or at least their lack of effectiveness.
- Jsaquella

Just wondering, what adjustments would you have them looking at?

There is nothing more frustrating then that statement!!!!!!!!



I do not understand how the Flyers haven't adjusted to Marty and change the way you dump the puck to chase it.

How about a soft dump or a dump across the zone to the opposite corner?
- ggunky

Like Marty or hate him, you have to love the assist he got last night.

The Organization knows what kind of coach Laviolette is. Do you feel this current roster is tailored to execute his system? If it's not, there is a disconnect that has to be fixed. And the easiest way to resolve that is to fire the coach. You can't fire the players.
- PLindbergh31

I don't disagree with that. And make no mistake about it. Trading an offensive player for a stay at home physical defensive defenseman, was not an accident. It was by design, and was meant to change the mix of the team a little bit.

There is nothing more frustrating then that statement!!!!!!!!



I do not understand how the Flyers haven't adjusted to Marty and change the way you dump the puck to chase it.

How about a soft dump or a dump across the zone to the opposite corner?
- ggunky

On the long term, dunno. On the short term, these Devils have been very effective at pressuring the Flyers, I'm not surprised they're rushing plays into the offensive zone at all.

The Organization knows what kind of coach Laviolette is. Do you feel this current roster is tailored to execute his system? If it's not, there is a disconnect that has to be fixed. And the easiest way to resolve that is to fire the coach. You can't fire the players.
- PLindbergh31

Unfortunately....

After the lockout BS I wouldn't mind seeing a few of them flipping burgers.

Because there's very little help available in free agency and trade costs are at a premium.

And Timonen's fr from injury prone. 13 missed games in 6 years averages out to just over two missed games a year.
- Jsaquella

John,

I give you credit. In reading your posts it is like a broken record.

I feel frustration for you, watching you reply with the same info over and over.

With few exceptions, every team has holes in their lineup. That's why they go out and make trades, especially at the deadline. No team drafts perfectly for every position on the ice. Which is why they have to supplement with trading excess at positions, and with Free Agency.
- MJL

the flyers legacy of failure developing dmen extends back 20+ yrs- inexcusable.

The Organization knows what kind of coach Laviolette is. Do you feel this current roster is tailored to execute his system? If it's not, there is a disconnect that has to be fixed. And the easiest way to resolve that is to fire the coach. You can't fire the players.
- PLindbergh31

Do you feel that Holmgren's intention was to start the season with the current blue line?

Do you feel that if he could possibly land an upgrade without trading away pieces he sees as cornerstones that he wouldn't make that deal?

On the long term, dunno. On the short term, these Devils have been very effective at pressuring the Flyers, I'm not surprised they're rushing plays into the offensive zone at all.
- BulliesPhan87

It was like a game of hot potato last night. So frustrating to watch.