But that would mean we would see....defense....as a part of the game again. God forbid we ever see 2-1 or 1-0 games. It will just destroy the sport.
- Return of the Roar

Would never float with the way hockey revenue and fanbase has grown since they took the red line away

Yo Beav...no Nutria this far north as of yet. Muskrat and Beaver yes.
- ArlingtonRob

And how about those Asian Carp

Would never float with the way hockey revenue and fanbase has grown since they took the red line away
- FourFeathers773

I would be interested in seeing causative data rather than correlative or observational data to support the link there between the two. I think the real link is just more TV exposure.

I actually think that player safety will be linked to the speed of the game and that may be the best chance to make the case to reinstate the red line. Otherwise the only alternatives are no check hockey and/or dressing everyone up in Michelin man outfits.

Just put my Larmer jersey on and ready to start Hockey Weekend off! Hopefully the concussion is just mild for Crow and the Hawks put a beating on the Sharks!!!

Embarassingly, Cooke did nothing wrong on that play, that wasn't down a dozen times in that very game by other players on both sides...it's the knee to the ass for the pin to the boards...

There is no way Cooke could have conceived this action, as his motion and head was looking/going the other way.

I am all for stronger protection there, softer shoulder pads...maybe a little more weight will slow players down a bit...
- wiz1901

This play makes me wonder how many times players get their skate a foot off the ice in a situation like that; going into the boards to challenge the opponent for the puck. It looked more than a bit unusual he'd have his skate that far up off the ice when it didn't appear he was losing his balance. It does make me wonder though that because it was Cooke, there could be something to it.

Just put my Larmer jersey on and ready to start Hockey Weekend off! Hopefully the concussion is just mild for Crow and the Hawks put a beating on the Sharks!!!
- moots

I played in a couple of tournaments against Steve Larmer when I was a kid, I was supposed to shut him down. I didn't fare too well.

I played in a couple of tournaments against Steve Larmer when I was a kid, I was supposed to shut him down. I didn't fare too well.
- paulr

Looking back now you likely feel honored at the chance.

But that would mean we would see....defense....as a part of the game again. God forbid we ever see 2-1 or 1-0 games. It will just destroy the sport.
- Return of the Roar

Yep Bettman won't go for that...His other rule tweaks etc., haven't really increased scoring as it is...

Yep Bettman won't go for that...His other rule tweaks etc., haven't really increased scoring as it is...
- Al

If they would just get rid of the trapezoid, I'd be happy. It's the only rule out there that penalizes a skill.

I would be interested in seeing causative data rather than correlative or observational data to support the link there between the two. I think the real link is just more TV exposure.

I actually think that player safety will be linked to the speed of the game and that may be the best chance to make the case to reinstate the red line. Otherwise the only alternatives are no check hockey and/or dressing everyone up in Michelin man outfits.
- Return of the Roar

The redline removal didn't increase scoring as that was the intent, but it probably helped increase the speed of play.

If they would just get rid of the trapezoid, I'd be happy. It's the only rule out there that penalizes a skill.
- MartiniMan

I'm with you on that one for sure....If anything the shape is wrong too.

I would be interested in seeing causative data rather than correlative or observational data to support the link there between the two. I think the real link is just more TV exposure.

I actually think that player safety will be linked to the speed of the game and that may be the best chance to make the case to reinstate the red line. Otherwise the only alternatives are no check hockey and/or dressing everyone up in Michelin man outfits.
- Return of the Roar

TV exposure is a big big part and beside Carolina...Cup winners have been two West Coast teams, two East Coast teams and then the Wings and Hawks....That didn't hurt either.

Looking back now you likely feel honored at the chance.
- blackhawk24

I was actually honoured then too. He was a guy everyone was aware of and few could stop. His problem was he was playing an age group or two higher and he wasn't on the strongest team but he had the ability to win games by himself.

I just wish I had had the foresight to get a photo taken with him.

I'm with you on that one for sure....If anything the shape is wrong too.
- Al

Why is the shape wrong? Rule is as silly, shape is correct, as it looks on the ice though.

I'm guessing it happened when he got run over by Ryan and there was no GI call...Hope he recovers soon. He's played very well thus far.
- CrisCrossCrease

When that play happened, Crawford was slow to get up and at first didn't even reach for his stick, he kind of sat in the net with the stick a couple of feet to his right, and he didn't even look for his stick for about 5 seconds. The puck was being moved towards the blue line and out of our zone, but he seemed out of it and either Pat or I think it was Konroyd doing the color that night said Crawford was slow to get up. Crawford looked out of it, but the puck went into the Ducks zone and by the time play was back in the Hawks end, Crawford looked fine and nothing was mentioned again. At the time it happened I thought he looked woozy just by his actions, he appeared out of it for a few seconds. If anyone has that game DVR'd, please go look for that play.

I'm with you on that one for sure....If anything the shape is wrong too.
- Al

It's kind of goofy to have an out of bounds area within the playing surface of the game. It reminds me of Ringette, a game my daughters play, that has all kinds of rules about who, how many and when a certain area can or cannot be entered.

When that play happened, Crawford was slow to get up and at first didn't even reach for his stick, he kind of sat in the net with the stick a couple of feet to his right, and he didn't even look for his stick for about 5 seconds. The puck was being moved towards the blue line and out of our zone, but he seemed out of it and either Pat or I think it was Konroyd doing the color that night said Crawford was slow to get up. Crawford looked out of it, but the puck went into the Ducks zone and by the time play was back in the Hawks end Crawford looking fine and nothing was mentioned again. At the time it happened I thought he looked woozy just by his actions, he appeared out of it for a few seconds. If anyone has that game DVR'd, please go look for that play.
- Hemingways

Do you remember when that happened?3rd period?

What you don't know Beav is that with this pic and the topic, it is hilarious..I feel like I am actually talking to a Beaver. Like I am high or something. I hope you think this is funny too...
- TrueGrit

Perhaps you are.

Do you remember when that happened?3rd period?
- eagle50

Sorry, I don't remember. Pretty sure it was the 2nd or early 3rd period, but not positive. Since no penalty was called we can't just go look at the box score to find out.

UPDATE: had to be the 3rd period because Crawford's net was on the right side of the screen.

It's kind of goofy to have an out of bounds area within the playing surface of the game. It reminds me of Ringette, a game my daughters play, that has all kinds of rules about who, how many and when a certain area can or cannot be entered.
- paulr

It's what happens when authorities try to fix an issue with the completely wrong solution.

Like the NFL moving the KO up to the 35yd line. So more touch backs. Fine. But KO returns are not the highest occurrence rate of head shots. Punt returns and many plays from scrimmage have that; not to mention there's way more of those and often more punt returns than KO returns. Good intention; horribly misplaced.

It's kind of goofy to have an out of bounds area within the playing surface of the game. It reminds me of Ringette, a game my daughters play, that has all kinds of rules about who, how many and when a certain area can or cannot be entered.
- paulr

Yep...

Why is the shape wrong? Rule is as silly, shape is correct, as it looks on the ice though.
- blackhawk24

It seems to me it is backwards but most mportant it should not be there at all.

It seems to me it is backwards but most mportant it should not be there at all.
- Al

Yeah, no kidding. Hey you have some inside info many of us don't; was there any discussion during the CBA talks about removing it all together.

Would have been floored if they named it the geometrically correct name; "isosceles trapezoid". Only the NHL can come up with a silly rule and compound it with an unusual shape.

The redline removal didn't increase scoring as that was the intent, but it probably helped increase the speed of play.
- Al

This increases injuries too.

I would be interested in seeing causative data rather than correlative or observational data to support the link there between the two. I think the real link is just more TV exposure.

I actually think that player safety will be linked to the speed of the game and that may be the best chance to make the case to reinstate the red line. Otherwise the only alternatives are no check hockey and/or dressing everyone up in Michelin man outfits.
- Return of the Roar

Couldn't you make an argument for an increase in concussions if they brought back the red line? Instead of a North-South game, you might now have a little more East-West, right near the benches. Guys coming on the ice might have an easy time with head hunting.

Speed is in the game now. That's not changing. Dudes are faster, bigger, stronger than they were 10 years ago. that's just the reality.