Hey man, I'll agree that Cooke 's history is one to be frowned upon. But when he cleaned his game up 2 years ago after the Savard incident, he actually garnered some respect for doing it, and doing it successfully.

To be now blames for an accidental play is unfair.
- moondawg

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watching the video tom posted, he did the same exact play at :15 that he did to Karlsson, pretty sure it's a cheap shot

Matt Cooke is a chicken shyt, one of the top 5 dirtiest players in the history of the NHL.

The worst part is he hides behind his visor and turtles anytime somebody tries to make him pay for it.

Stop Tom. Moondawg played hockey & we all didn't. We should all just go home & let Moonbeam run the show in here.
- B2B76

Still play hockey and these things happen, my buddy was just sliced on his arm. Sure he was pissed at the guy, but in the end he knew it was an accident.

I bet Karlsson comes out and states the same thing.

No I named one, Karlsson injury had no intent to injure. Savard is all there is.

Ahahahaahahaha, Lie , steal and cheat. Jeez man, did Cooke rape and pillage your town?
- moondawg

Savard is the only star the Cooke knocked out of the sport for good. Neely was the only star Ulf Samuelsson knocked out fo the league for good.

It doesn't mean that both aren't (and weren't) complete chep shot artists, who TRY, yes TRY, to injure superstars. Cooke TRIED to injure Markov, Ovechkin and Sundin to name only a few.

Look at this. Look at how many above average, to good, players are in this video. Edit: Random chance alone (if he was going after all players, equally, regardless of their skill level), would dictate that only one or two of these incidents would be against stars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waePHWjVGY

As for last night, outside a polygraph (that probobly wouldn't work cause he's a pscyhopath, and they can beat them) there's no way to measure his intent. With that said, based on his history, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I can't comprehend why anyone else would either.

Did he try to put his skate there? No probably not. Once it WAS there, did he try to get it off without cutting a guy? Definetly not. He pulled it right down on an angle.. which is what cuts people.

I really am surprised the isles may be falling to the bottom again. I was hoping that they would be really compeditive this year, would be good for them.
- Mactruck

Tavares is God like & aside from that they are very subpar as far as talent goes. I hate them to death but it is almost boring watching them suck so bad every year. I am old enough to remember the rivalry in the 80s & early 90s when it was last great.

- jimbro83

he actually tried to clean up his game less than a year ago after he was suspended for 17 games for elbowing mcdonagh. Clearly the video shows him stomping on the achilles of Kalsson. So you can talk all you want about how his game has changed, but it hasn't.

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- jimbro83

The league, pundits, color commentators, play by play men, writers, bloggers. Give me a break, this has been widely discussed, and many have given him credit for turning his game around.

watching the video tom posted, he did the same exact play at :15 that he did to Karlsson, pretty sure it's a cheap shot
- hockeypunk36

I knew you were a good guy.

Still play hockey and these things happen, my buddy was just sliced on his arm. Sure he was pissed at the guy, but in the end he knew it was an accident.

I bet Karlsson comes out and states the same thing.
- moondawg

Do you think if you came in here and just made the case that you are making now without calling the blog a shortbus convention that you would have been treated with the same reception that you have been?

I knew you were a good guy.
- tomburton99

it's just a really sick play, I don't want to believe that he did it on purpose

No I named one, Karlsson injury had no intent to injure. Savard is all there is.

Ahahahaahahaha, Lie , steal and cheat. Jeez man, did Cooke rape and pillage your town?
- moondawg

talking about the penguins as an organization...I was making a reference to Maciavellain ways of the Penguins lead by their owner, the only thing Shanahan did was spare us a missive from Mario talking about how the league needs to be cleaned up but we are keeping Matt Cooke on our payroll...

On to tonights game. I agree that I think Boyle being scratched for 2 games will light a fire under him coming back tonight. Got to get a couple of early goals here & I think the Isles will fold. They are on the cusp of slipping away as usual, always seems they get off to a decent start & then have one of these 10-12 game losing streaks that cripple there season. Gotta win tonight.
- B2B76

I think you guys take it 5-2 tonight. Boyle +1, 1 point, 5 hits, 2 blocked shots.

Savard is the only star the Cooke knocked out of the sport for good. Neely was the only star Ulf Samuelsson knocked out fo the league for good.

It doesn't mean that both aren't (and weren't) complete chep shot artists, who TRY, yes TRY, to injure superstars. Cooke TRIED to injure Markov, Ovechkin and Sundin to name only a few.

Look at this. Look at how many above average, to good, players are in this video. Edit: Random chance alone (if he was going after all players, equally, regardless of their skill level), would dictate that only one or two of these incidents would be against stars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waePHWjVGY


As for last night, outside a polygraph (that probobly wouldn't work cause he's a pscyhopath, and they can beat them) there's no way to measure his intent. With that said, based on his history, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt, and I can't comprehend why anyone else would either.

Did he try to put his skate there? No probably not. Once it WAS there, did he try to get it off without cutting a guy? Definetly not. He pulled it right down on an angle.. which is what cuts people.
- Charliebox

Well I tried, I came in here to read on Nash and the Rags, as he is in my pool, and was shocked at the level of hate on for Cooke. Even in the main blog alot of Phili and Ottawa fans don't see it as intent.

I'm outta here, you guys can carry on, sorry to ruffle feathers with some objectivity.

Do you think if you came in here and just made the case that you are making now without calling the blog a shortbus convention that you would have been treated with the same reception that you have been?
- Pete V

Pete stay classy.

The league, pundits, color commentators, play by play men, writers, bloggers. Give me a break, this has been widely discussed, and many have given him credit for turning his game around.
- moondawg

sounds like everyone in football who say Ray Lewis is a great guy

Well I tried, I came in here to read on Nash and the Rags, as he is in my pool, and was shocked at the level of hate on for Cooke. Even in the main blog alot of Phili and Ottawa fans don't see it as intent.

I'm outta here, you guys can carry on, sorry to ruffle feathers with some objectivity.
- moondawg

By saying we are taking part in a short bus conversation. You're an idiot. Don't tell me about your objectivity, you have none.

Do you think if you came in here and just made the case that you are making now without calling the blog a shortbus convention that you would have been treated with the same reception that you have been?
- Pete V

K fine, touche. I apologize for the short bus comment.

K fine, touche. I apologize for the short bus comment.
- moondawg

just go run and catch it

just go run and catch it
- jimbro83

guys, conversation is a good one, please remember everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they differ from yours. Refrain from making what might be incendiary comments about the guys that are here all the time and to new readers etc. who are welcome. Stick to the facts, as good arguments are happening and no need for the other stuff here. And none of the, he started it... please

Hey man, I'll agree that Cooke 's history is one to be frowned upon. But when he cleaned his game up 2 years ago after the Savard incident, he actually garnered some respect for doing it, and doing it successfully.

To be now blames for an accidental play is unfair.
- moondawg

He is the sort of scumbag who would clean up his game with the intent of using his 2 years of good will as a buffer for his actions when he decides to completely ruin an upcoming prospect on a rival team.

Well I tried, I came in here to read on Nash and the Rags, as he is in my pool, and was shocked at the level of hate on for Cooke. Even in the main blog alot of Phili and Ottawa fans don't see it as intent.

I'm outta here, you guys can carry on, sorry to ruffle feathers with some objectivity.
- moondawg

LOL.. you didn't even respond to my entire post!! You quoted it and then went off on a tangent.

No. I was being objective. Simply, I have no clue if he did in on purpose, BUT, based on his history, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

As for your comments about analysts and the like saying he couldn't have intended it, I've heard all that too. The thing is, most of them are saying that cause they just can't see someone actually trying to do that on purpose. They are normal, empathetic, human beings, and they understandably can't comprehend how someone can be that evil. The majority of them have said exactly that: "I just can't see someone doing that on purpose".

What they fail to realize is that psychopaths like Cooke have no empathy for other human beings, and what may seem over-the-top, 'no one can be that evil', to you or I, is just another day for people like him.

The bottom line is that he has TRIED to injure stars in the past, on multiple occasions and for that reason, no one should give this guy the benefit of the doubt.

LOL.. you didn't even respond to my entire post!! You quoted it and then went off on a tangent.

No. I was being objective. Simply, I have no clue if he did in on purpose, BUT, based on his history, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

As for your comments about analysts and the like saying he couldn't have intended it, I've heard all that too. The thing is, most of them are saying that cause they just can't see someone actually trying to do that on purpose. They are normal, empathetic, human beings, and they understandably can't comprehend how someone can be that evil.

What they fail to realize is that psychopaths like Cooke have no empathy for other human beings, and what may seem over-the-top, 'no one can be that evil', to you or I, is just another day for people like him.

The bottom line is that he has TRIED to injure stars in the past, on multiple occasions and for that reason, no one should give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
- Charliebox

Good point CharlieBox. I have a seriosu question for you. Not trying goad you, but imagine this is Sean Avery and he was the one who stoped Karlsson. Imagine the public out cry for his head on a stick. I bet it would be everywhere, just want to gt your thoughts on it.

LOL.. you didn't even respond to my entire post!! You quoted it and then went off on a tangent.

No. I was being objective. Simply, I have no clue if he did in on purpose, BUT, based on his history, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

As for your comments about analysts and the like saying he couldn't have intended it, I've heard all that too. The thing is, most of them are saying that cause they just can't see someone actually trying to do that on purpose. They are normal, empathetic, human beings, and they understandably can't comprehend how someone can be that evil. The majority of them have said exactly that: "I just can't see someone doing that on purpose".

What they fail to realize is that psychopaths like Cooke have no empathy for other human beings, and what may seem over-the-top, 'no one can be that evil', to you or I, is just another day for people like him.

The bottom line is that he has TRIED to injure stars in the past, on multiple occasions and for that reason, no one should give this guy the benefit of the doubt.
- Charliebox

If you take the name and number off of that back of Cooke's jersey in this play, I'm still going to tell you I think from the way that it looks in full speed that this was done with at least the intent to slew foot the other player.
In slow speed it looks like he malicously stomps down on the back of another players bare ankle, and then purposefully slides it along the tendon to cause severe damage. No matter who the player in question would be.

EDIT: I too have played hockey, for the past 20 years, on all sorts of different levels... On almost every competitive team I've ever played there has been at least one screwball who was born and bred to injure the opposing team.