I have no proof , but I think his hockey is over and no additional surgeries will be done.

I think this is Gillis clearing a roster spot and salary only ,like Ballard with his concusions last year.

I may be wrong.
- VANTEL

No chance! If Gillis did something like this both the NHL and PA would be all over him. Manny is legitimately injured, confirmed by Canucks (and possibly other) medical staff.

Myth: Fighting is an indicator of toughness.

Myth: Plus/minus is an indicator of defensive ability.

I agree that Bieksa is a decent defenceman and can take crap from the Canuck faithful, but don't massage random facts and figures to support your argument. Sometimes a player is just good at what he does. However, if you need figures to support your argument, maybe use some of the 21st century ones that exist, like WOWY, CORSI, etc. that'll give you and everyone else a more solid feel for his true value.
- oil2k6

I don't think Ian believes in advanced stats like Yost does. Some people write them off just looking at Corsi, but Corsi alone is a horrible way to judge a player, all of the advanced stats guys will tell you that.

Behindthenet.ca is an awesome site.

Do porn sites count?
- VANTEL

And some of that might be because they are too busy helping the D out or the D not moving the puck well.

outside J. Schultz and Petry, not many guys who can pass.
- IanEsplen

Maybe. We actually don't get pinned in our zone half as much as last year, which is a testament to Schultz for sure. Petry's had a really slow start. Potter has probably been moving the puck better frankly. And of course it's tough when Whitney looks like a top pairing dman before his injury and looks like a career AHLer afterward. If they had known that, they would have added another dman before the start of the year.

Our big problem though is that we have trouble establishing the offensive zone outside of a run-and-gun attack. Some say it's a strategic issue. I'd say the line combinations just aren't right yet, and the kids need to mature.

No chance! If Gillis did something like this both the NHL and PA would be all over him. Manny is legitimately injured, confirmed by Canucks (and possibly other) medical staff.
- 1970vintage

Poor Manny...

Sak yourself this . All things equal ,how many teams would Bieksa on their team and how many would take Phanuef if they were to be paid 5 Mil
- VANTEL

Stop shifting the goalposts.

I said that it had nothing to do with DP and KB...IE is just as much a total homer for his team as RC is for the Oilers...Except that IE thinks he is fooling people by acting like he is unbiased.

Now drop the whole Cap Hit, which was not a part of the article and I don't think they are very different.

For my team...I do not put either ahead of Smid. Nor do i put them on the ice over JSchultz with how much they are giving him ice time and he is playing very well with it. Petry is doing well so I put either one of those guys with him...making both of them 3/4 Dmen on my team.

By the time your window opens our window will be replaced and opened again
- pker2theend

That sounds really great! I'm not hating on the nucks, I'm just saying I'm not worried about the Oilers.

No chance! If Gillis did something like this both the NHL and PA would be all over him. Manny is legitimately injured, confirmed by Canucks (and possibly other) medical staff.
- 1970vintage

I wonder if eye has suddenly gotten worse, hopefully he'll be okay. Always terrible when a classy team player like Manny is being forced to potentially retire because of an injury. He was a solid 3rd line center before that injury.

That sounds really great! I'm not hating on the nucks, I'm just saying I'm not worried about the Oilers.
- Morris

You guys need to start signing players though you can't have your whole frikkin team as first rounders

the refs
- pker2theend

The refs made Cooke do it?

Schultz would have been an amazing signing, but I think he saw the long-term potential in Edmonton plus a top 4 role and getting to play with the first line and top PP unit.
- Nucker101

I am not trying to knock the Oilers but Hall has a horrible contract.
When RNH Yak Schultz hit their second contract at 6 Mil per they will have 30 mil invested in 5 players. Good luck filling 18 more spots with 34 Mil.They will have a top line and a Paul Coffey type Dman and holes galore.

Getting back to the original post .Bieksa is a way better deal than Phaneuf and Campbell

The OIlers and Leafs handing out contracts like a hooker hands out social diseases to sailors on shore leave.

Teams that hand out 6 mil contracts to third year players that have scored 22 and 27 goals will get what they desreve.

Bieksa who is a team player in evry sense is a much better Dman in every sense than the names listed.
- VANTEL

Wrong team, but i guess we traded for him, so we are responsible at the moment

No chance! If Gillis did something like this both the NHL and PA would be all over him. Manny is legitimately injured, confirmed by Canucks (and possibly other) medical staff.
- 1970vintage

If that is the case he should be scheduling for surgery soon.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/erik-karlsson-won-norris-trophy-other-revealing-nhl-020404507--nhl.html

Girardi 6
Hamhuis 10
McDonagh 11
Mitchell T18

for stay-at-home types
- IanEsplen

Interesting, thanks. I guess McDonagh's high consderation didn't help Girardi, but I thought that dude had about as good a year as a shutdown guy could have, especially in terms of his monster TOI totals.

Poor Manny...
- chompsey

Whatever there chomper, I'm only busting the myth that GM's can make up an injury to make roster moves. I'd be happy to make you a tinfoil hat if you need one to keep the aliens out of your head.

Do I feel bad for Manny to see his career end like this? Sure. But he knew the risks going in, so it's not like I'm up on some soap box pleading for sympathy for him.

Wrong team, but i guess we traded for him, so we are responsible at the moment
- walshyleafsfan

I was referring to Halls contract.

Getting back to the original post .Bieksa is a way better deal than Phaneuf and Campbell

The OIlers and Leafs handing out contracts like a hooker hands out social diseases to sailors on shore leave.

Teams that hand out 6 mil contracts to third year players that have scored 22 and 27 goals will get what they desreve.

Bieksa who is a team player in evry sense is a much better Dman in every sense than the names listed.
- VANTEL

how many times have you basically said the same things - numerous.

Let me tell you something I learned long ago...


Repitition leads to retention


You can stop repeating yourself now

The refs made Cooke do it?
- OilHorse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueBZuZAoglE

I am not trying to knock the Oilers but Hall has a horrible contract.
When RNH Yak Schultz hit their second contract at 6 Mil per they will have 30 mil invested in 5 players. Good luck filling 18 more spots with 34 Mil.They will have a top line and a Paul Coffey type Dman and holes galore.
- VANTEL

The Cap is never going up?

That is a weak argument...

Next year is When Eb and Hall get 6M...Nuge and JS still have a year on ELC...Yak has 2...Cap @ 64M

Nuge and JS get their 6M and yak has a year on ELC...Cap has already gone up

Yak gets his 6m and Cap has gone up again...

[quote=chompsey]Generalizations make you sound ignorant, lazy and generally stupid. quote]


Hey dont label me !

I am not trying to knock the Oilers but Hall has a horrible contract.
When RNH Yak Schultz hit their second contract at 6 Mil per they will have 30 mil invested in 5 players. Good luck filling 18 more spots with 34 Mil.They will have a top line and a Paul Coffey type Dman and holes galore.
- VANTEL

I wouldn't say he has a horrible contract, during the last 2 seasons his full season pace was a 30+ goal scorer and he's only 21 years old. That's worth at least 5 million per, most 30+ goal scorers are guaranteed to get 6 mil + on the open market, and he could still get better since he's so young. We'll see how much RNH, Yakupov and Schultz demand, but it's possible that they can structure their team like Chicago has. Plus the cap will go up every year after next season.

how many times have you basically said the same things - numerous.

Let me tell you something I learned long ago...


Repition leads to retention


You can stop repeating yourself now
- gzatron

So you are getting the drift then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueBZuZAoglE
- pker2theend

OMG....Proof that video games have taken over the mainstream

If that is the case he should be scheduling for surgery soon.
- VANTEL

Maybe surgery isn't an option. Maybe his vision hasn't returned to the point where its safe for him to play. Maybe he lied to the doctors to pass his medical exams. Who knows. If a player was ever asked to fake an injury so that a team could add another player, and the PA found out about it, well that would be some nasty business.

You guys need to start signing players though you can't have your whole frikkin team as first rounders
- pker2theend

I agree. I think we're managing to find some useful players here and there like Nick Schultz via trade, Hartikainen in the 6th round, Lander in the 2nd, Belanger as a free-agent.

We do need to add a veteran presence or two, especially among our dmen. I'd like to see us add a guy like Brian Boyle while he's in the dog house in NY.