Extra extra, the oilers fans have shown up again. Breaking news, now that Phaneuf has been brought up the TO ones will be arriving. Sens fans will still be in mourning over loss of Karlsson.
- immature_male

I can stay out of your exclusive clubhouse if you insist.

Fans of other teams will tend to want to post though when you speculate on who Bieksa is better than on every team the league.

average isnt year by year. Stop trying to manipulate the numbers....
- gzatron

Also, doesn't that demonstrate that Phaneuf - if not better - has at least posted better stats?

The page is ruined can't even quote someone

The page is ruined can't even quote someone
- pker2theend

you cant ?

Call the IT dept, your computer is franked. Must be java

There's also an important point to be made: not all giveaways are equal. Short of a 'Giveaways Unequivocally Leading to Goal Against' stat (GULGA?) you can't really compare them in mere numbers.

IE. the characterization of Bieksa as a turnover machine might have to do with the timelines or quality (or lack thereof) of his turnovers

EG. Turnover in the neutral zone leading to a 3-3 the other way at 9:51 of the 1st period > turnover behind your own net leading to a wrap around goal breaking a tie with 2:21 left in the 3rd.

Extra extra, the oilers fans have shown up again. Breaking news, now that Phaneuf has been brought up the TO ones will be arriving. Sens fans will still be in mourning over loss of Karlsson.
- immature_male

Matt Cooke should be kicked out of the league.

There's also an important point to be made: not all giveaways are equal. Short of a 'Giveaways Unequivocally Leading to Goal Against' stat (GULGA?) you can't really compare them in mere numbers.

IE. the characterization of Bieksa as a turnover machine might have to do with the timelines or quality (or lack thereof) of his turnovers

EG. Turnover in the neutral zone leading to a 3-3 the other way at 9:51 of the 1st period > turnover behind your own net leading to a wrap around goal breaking a tie with 2:21 left in the 3rd.
- Morris

This would be an interesting stat to see for all players.

3 yr avg.

Points
Phaneuf- 35 pts
Bieksa- 29 pts

+/-
Phaneuf- -4
Bieksa- +13

Turnovers
Phaneuf- 62
Bieksa- 47

Hits
Phaneuf- 198
Bieksa- 111

BLK
Phaneuf- 116
Bieksa- 86
- IanEsplen

Phaneuf: Non-playoff and lottery teams with next to 0 support
Bieksa: Back-to-back President's Trophy teams littered with individual awards

You think these two points might have an impact on Phaneuf's and Bieksa's stats JUST A LITTLE?

I think it's also safe to say that with the exception of Vancouver, the Northwest has been the weakest division in the league in recent years.

Bieksa would not be top 3 in Pittsburgh.

Sorry Ian, It seems you are wrong.

This would be an interesting stat to see for all players.
- nucks_94

Dunno how Bieksa would actually rank up. I do know that it would help qualify how a guy like Joe Thornton can generally be seen to be a good puck possessor but still have 90 giveaways every year

Bieksa would not be top 3 in Pittsburgh.
- bri29smith

Who would you say is better? Just curious.

Bieksa would not be top 3 in Pittsburgh.
- bri29smith

Really?

Other than Letang, I don't see anyone better. Maybe Despres, for the future, but not right now. Martin isn't as good as Bieksa, and makes more. Neither is Niskanen.

Sorry Ian, It seems you are wrong.
- gzatron

What is he wrong about?

His rankings about where Bieksa would fit in certain teams' D corps might be a bit subjective, but some are certainly true.

And it's hard to disagree with some of the other stuff.

Phaneuf: Non-playoff and lottery teams with next to 0 support
Bieksa: Back-to-back President's Trophy teams littered with individual awards

You think these two points might have an impact on Phaneuf's and Bieksa's stats JUST A LITTLE?
- As_I_See_It

Here's the thing, is solely because they're playing for good/bad teams that their stats are the way they are? There are top-4 defensemen on good teams with bad stats (Ballard (considering that at the time we traded for him, was believed to be a top-4 d-man) would come to mind (actually, maybe Doughty on LA would be a better example)) and there are those on bad teams with good stats (Karlsson last year as Ottawa would never have made it into the playoffs without him having a Coffey like year)

All of those songs save Welcome to the Jungle suck bag. Really they are truly awful uninspiring pieces of music.

Welcome to the Jungle would be fine if the arena was that kind of environment. Perhaps it should be Frankie Goes to Hollywood and "Relax" a more fitting tune.

This stuff is hard to do but a song needs a sweet cool build up to a massive crescendo. Welcome to the Jungle has that.


As for Bieksa


Bieska/Hamhuis 2014

Make your bumper stickers now!

Bieksa in a heart beat the guy is magic when games count. SJ game
- pker2theend

I see them as pretty similar players.

Probably lean towards Bieksa even if the salaries were closer, but lets face it, despite being overpaid, Phaneuf is still a valuable player.

Really?

Other than Letang, I don't see anyone better. Maybe Despres, for the future, but not right now. Martin isn't as good as Bieksa, and makes more. Neither is Niskanen.
- Fosco

I'd likely take Orpik over Juice

All of those songs save Welcome to the Jungle suck bag. Really they are truly awful uninspiring pieces of music.

Welcome to the Jungle would be fine if the arena was that kind of environment. Perhaps it should be Frankie Goes to Hollywood and "Relax" a more fitting tune.

This stuff is hard to do but a song needs a sweet cool build up to a massive crescendo. Welcome to the Jungle has that.


As for Bieksa


Bieska/Hamhuis 2014
My vote is Donna Summer's "I Feel Love", the extended disco version!!!
Make your bumper stickers now!
- Peter.Tessier

I'd likely take Orpik over Juice
- IanEsplen

Forgot about him. Still not sure he's better than Bieksa overall, but I love his physical play. Not sure about the others, though.

I see them as pretty similar players.

Probably lean towards Bieksa even if the salaries were closer, but lets face it, despite being overpaid, Phaneuf is still a valuable player.
- Fosco

Besides his hits and mouth I honestly see no value in him.

Besides his hits and mouth I honestly see no value in him.
- pker2theend

He's got a laser of a shot. Not a bad PP guy.

Shame on you for using facts for an argument...Don't you know this is Hockey Buzz.

Here's the thing, is solely because they're playing for good/bad teams that their stats are the way they are? There are top-4 defensemen on good teams with bad stats (Ballard (considering that at the time we traded for him, was believed to be a top-4 d-man) would come to mind) and there are those on bad teams with good stats (Karlsson last year as Ottawa would never have made it into the playoffs without him having a Coffey like year)
- DariusKnight

I totally agree. Bieksa is a solid d-man, but I also think his stats have benefited from playing with the Canucks.

You could pretty much put Bieksa on any other team and I'd be willing to bet that his stats would decline.

Phaneuf was a 44 point d-man last season and that's with the Leafs' epic collapse! He'd be 55+, possibly even 60+ on Vancouver, IF he was their #1 PP point man.

Kes skating with Higgins and Kass today. Looks like he could be back tomorrow.