Phaneuf and his sloppy second line.

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- immature_male

Wasnt that Avery ? Just before he got run out of Dallas I think

I'll keep it simple

Q1- YES
Q2-YES

Phaneuf = 3/4 on most teams

Bieksa = 2/3 on most teams
- IanEsplen

Wasnt that Avery ? Just before he got run out of Dallas I think
- gzatron

That was Avery, one of the reasons he isn't playing hockey anymore.

I would take Phaneuf over Bieksa, if it is the Phaneuf from a few years ago when he used to hammer people.
- immature_male

He still gets a lot of hits, but isn't as wild anymore and is asked to play against the other teams best lines at times, of course his +/- is going to be bad when you're on a bad team and play against the opposing 1st like. I obviously prefer Bieksa at his cap hit, but if they had around the cap hit I'm taking Dion.

- pker2theend

Plus it's Valentine's Day.

God stuff Ian, but I'd take Phaneuf and Campbell over Bieksa, all things being equal.
- Nucker101

Agreed the only problem with Campbell is his contract.

God stuff Ian, but I'd take Phaneuf and Campbell over Bieksa, all things being equal.
- Nucker101

Given Phaneuf's salary, I'd take Bieksa,

If they're making the same, it's a tough call.

Extra extra, read all about it: Esplen runs the Cloutier play AGAIN!

- Crazycaboose

Probably shouldn't have even said bad team, just struggling.

Given Phaneuf's salary, I'd take Bieksa,

If they're making the same, it's a tough call.
- Fosco

Really?

Given Phaneuf's salary, I'd take Bieksa,

If they're making the same, it's a tough call.
- Fosco

I am sooo happy to see that despite Ian arguing with me, most others agree.

You guys are alright. I wont be such a dink ok ?

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha
careful thats a borderline ban post on this board
- gzatron

I know it

He still gets a lot of hits, but isn't as wild anymore and is asked to play against the other teams best lines at times, of course his +/- is going to be bad when you're on a bad team and play against the opposing 1st like. I obviously prefer Bieksa at his cap hit, but if they had around the cap hit I'm taking Dion.
- Nucker101

I think Phaneuf would do better in Vancouver than Bieksa would in TO. I also feel if Phaneuf did not have to be the go to guy and have better linemates he would play alot better. Get back to having fun playing, which it seems the Vancouver D does more than the TO ones. I know less pressure when you are winning and don't have to worry as much about your goalies.

How many times have the sedins made Phaneuf look like garbage. Lets be real.

Curious argument about the top-pairing thing w/ Bieksa. He certainly plays tough minutes, but he plays pretty horribly in them, relative to his own blue line in Vancouver.



Garrison and Edler appear demonstrably better.

Bieksa draws tough assignments and primarily defensive-zone minutes, but the guy is awful at driving possession.

I don't see him as a top-pairing player on most teams.

Extra extra, read all about it: Esplen runs the Cloutier play AGAIN!
- Morris

Extra extra, the oilers fans have shown up again. Breaking news, now that Phaneuf has been brought up the TO ones will be arriving. Sens fans will still be in mourning over loss of Karlsson.

Really?
- pker2theend

Yup.

Why? Who would you choose?

Post their year by year stats side by side and tell me Bieksa is better without crossing your fingers. The only thing Bieksa can boast is a better plus/Minus - go figure...
- gzatron

3 yr avg.

Points
Phaneuf- 35 pts
Bieksa- 29 pts

+/-
Phaneuf- -4
Bieksa- +13

Turnovers
Phaneuf- 62
Bieksa- 47

Hits
Phaneuf- 198
Bieksa- 111

BLK
Phaneuf- 116
Bieksa- 86

Probably shouldn't have even said bad team, just struggling.
- Fosco

Ya our top line is playing like poop but our rookies huberdeau and shore are killing it with mueller. If we could just get rid of Kuba and bring up markstrom I would be really happy!

Ian Esplen: The myth of Kevin Bieksa
The myth of Kevin Bieksa
- IanEsplen

All your ratings of where KB is on each team is thoroughly subjective. So try not to act like it is gospel and fact.

K, thx...

PS: It is good you agree that he is fairly paid...not taking the large hometown discount like every other Canuck.

How many times have the sedins made Phaneuf look like garbage. Lets be real.
- pker2theend

And Bieksa stops all scoring chances by elite offensive players ?

K, I take back, he is da best. I didnt know he could do that

Curious argument about the top-pairing thing w/ Bieksa. He certainly plays tough minutes, but he plays pretty horribly in them, relative to his own blue line in Vancouver.



Garrison and Edler appear demonstrably better.

Bieksa draws tough assignments and primarily defensive-zone minutes, but the guy is awful at driving possession.

I don't see him as a top-pairing player on most teams.
- Travis Yost

Hey Yost,

What site do you use for your stats?

Behind The Net?

Curious argument about the top-pairing thing w/ Bieksa. He certainly plays tough minutes, but he plays pretty horribly in them, relative to his own blue line in Vancouver.



Garrison and Edler appear demonstrably better.

Bieksa draws tough assignments and primarily defensive-zone minutes, but the guy is awful at driving possession.

I don't see him as a top-pairing player on most teams.
- Travis Yost

Ian just got Yosted.

3 yr avg.

Points
Phaneuf- 35 pts
Bieksa- 29 pts

+/-
Phaneuf- -4
Bieksa- +13

Turnovers
Phaneuf- 62
Bieksa- 47

Hits
Phaneuf- 198
Bieksa- 111

BLK
Phaneuf- 116
Bieksa- 86
- IanEsplen

average isnt year by year. Stop trying to manipulate the numbers....

Yup.

Why? Who would you choose?
- Fosco

Bieksa in a heart beat the guy is magic when games count. SJ game