i don't know if that's entirely true. i don't see them trading kesler but i kind of feel on their end it was "here you throw this out" and "wow you want to give up him for this guy?"
- FIREonICE

If they weren't comfortable with who they had in their top 6, there's no way they would have moved him. Teams don't make spur of the moment decisions like that.

Well, not the good ones anyway. Otherwise you end up like Toronto.

Yea probably. Ennis + Mcnabb or Pysyk is a little much, even though I hate the idea of over rating our own prospects but I personally really like Ennis
- sbroads24

You don't get him unless you start with Ennis and I have no problem with that. Gotta give to get.

The conversation doesn't even start without Ennis
- sabresfandan

I think it is possible to get it done without Ennis. I think we should keep him at all costs, he is one of our players who can provide secondary scoring which is non-existent. I think Ennis and O'Rielly together on a line would have great chemistry too.

I'm not sure what the mix would be but I could see them sniffing around for Sekera, solid D with a good contract. I would do that despite liking Sekera a lot.

Stafford's career numbers would match up with a trade for O'Rielly.. I realize that he has an expensive contract but its less than what O'Rielly is asking and it would only be for two years instead of 5, which is what apparently he wants.

NHL network just said Sens want O'Reilly, I figured that was coming.

wild guess here but I don't think we'll get O'Reilly.

If they weren't comfortable with who they had in their top 6, there's no way they would have moved him. Teams don't make spur of the moment decisions like that.

Well, not the good ones anyway. Otherwise you end up like Toronto.
- HonkFortheGoose

i dunno, gillis didn't build the canucks, i kind of feel like he does what he wants there. i think he's a terrible gm that got stuck with an amazing lot of players to manage.

I think it is possible to get it done without Ennis. I think we should keep him at all costs, he is one of our players who can provide secondary scoring which is non-existent. I think Ennis and O'Rielly together on a line would have great chemistry too.

I'm not sure what the mix would be but I could see them sniffing around for Sekera, solid D with a good contract. I would do that despite liking Sekera a lot.

Stafford's career numbers would match up with a trade for O'Rielly.. I realize that he has an expensive contract but its less than what O'Rielly is asking and it would only be for two years instead of 5, which is what apparently he wants.
- rsj2588

Ennis is to small we need to get bigger up the middle and O'Reilly does that, forget Stafford that won't work.

wild guess here but I don't think we'll get O'Reilly.
- mhp

ugh, stop that stuff!

maybe we will, probably we won't! not to get meta but it's like somebody saying "i'm going to die alone so dating isn't worth it." this negativity is driving me nuts!

You don't get him unless you start with Ennis and I have no problem with that. Gotta give to get.
- SABRES 89

I wouldn't mind Ennis and a 2nd. Or even throw in Adam like DD said last night. But IMO that doesn't get it done right this second because COL doesn't seem desperate to move him and unless someone blows their top off like CBJ with 2 1sts and Dubinsky then I think this goes until the deadline.

wild guess here but I don't think we'll get O'Reilly.
- mhp

you are correct IMO.

Garth, I can't hold my thoughts any longer. While SabresNation sees the obvious, folks 'in the know' giggle about our situation, players skate without passion or purpose, you defend Lindy Ruff. The idea that this team's personnel is the problem and the failed coach is somehow not, is astounding. There are oh so many Sabres apologists, but defending a guy who is clearly detached from his players, and has a consistent record of poor performance really tells the story. He has lost his team's respect, a large number of fans are 'done', NHL insiders are laughing, but he stays, and you remain an avid supporter. Get freakin real.

I wouldn't mind Ennis and a 2nd. Or even throw in Adam like DD said last night. But IMO that doesn't get it done right this second because COL doesn't seem desperate to move him and unless someone blows their top off like CBJ with 2 1sts and Dubinsky then I think this goes until the deadline.
- sbroads24

To many team want O'Reilly and the AVS have all the leverage here.

I think it is possible to get it done without Ennis. I think we should keep him at all costs, he is one of our players who can provide secondary scoring which is non-existent. I think Ennis and O'Rielly together on a line would have great chemistry too.

I'm not sure what the mix would be but I could see them sniffing around for Sekera, solid D with a good contract. I would do that despite liking Sekera a lot.

Stafford's career numbers would match up with a trade for O'Rielly.. I realize that he has an expensive contract but its less than what O'Rielly is asking and it would only be for two years instead of 5, which is what apparently he wants.
- rsj2588

They want a top 6 forward. Darcy is not giving up any of the VHP line. I don't see him moving Foligno now that Kassian has already been moved. Stafford doesn't hold a lot of value right now. That leaves Ennis.

If they got O'Reilly, they're not putting him on a line with Ennis, because they're both centers. Ennis needs to stay in the middle. He's more effective there. It gives him the extra space he needs to play his best game.

NHL network just said Sens want O'Reilly, I figured that was coming.
- SABRES 89

That's funny, I was thinking Ott might make move. They have great prospects and need a good center without Spezza

ugh, stop that stuff!

maybe we will, probably we won't! not to get meta but it's like somebody saying "i'm going to die alone so dating isn't worth it." this negativity is driving me nuts!
- FIREonICE

not negative, just realistic. Some team will wow the Av's with a deal and it'll be done.

I think it is possible to get it done without Ennis. I think we should keep him at all costs, he is one of our players who can provide secondary scoring which is non-existent. I think Ennis and O'Rielly together on a line would have great chemistry too.

I'm not sure what the mix would be but I could see them sniffing around for Sekera, solid D with a good contract. I would do that despite liking Sekera a lot.

Stafford's career numbers would match up with a trade for O'Rielly.. I realize that he has an expensive contract but its less than what O'Rielly is asking and it would only be for two years instead of 5, which is what apparently he wants.
- rsj2588

I like 44 a lot but like Homer said last night people on here try to trade 44 and 21 for everyone...it isn't happening teams don't want Drew Stafford.

You might as well stop with the Girgensons thing. I don't know what you have against him, but they're not going to move him. They gave up a pick in the draft to move up and get him. They're not going to move him. Not anytime soon at least.

Darcy doesn't function that way and you know that.
- HonkFortheGoose

I don't have anything against him at all
You have to give to get
And I don't wanna give up Ennis
You've already mentioned how Ennis is more proven statistically than O'Reilly is

So tell me where Girgensons fits if we have
Hodgson, O'Reilly, Ennis AND Griegorenko?

Trading for a two-way center gives us the versatility to trade a guy who MIGHT develop into a two-way guy YEARS from now
Girgensons most goals scored in the USHL was ONLY 24
That makes me think he's more likely to be a guy who scores under 20goals for us than a guy who scores more than that

Hodgson, Ennis & Grogorenko are all going to be 30goal scorers IMO,
And O'Reilly can contribute NOW

I don't really see where Girgensons would fit,
So I'm ok moving him
But again, it's what I'd do... I obviously don't know Darcy's thoughts

you are correct IMO.
- SABRES 89

the move Darcy really needs to make involves the head coach.

the move Darcy really needs to make involves the head coach.
- mhp

two more losses coming right up mhp
I'm an optimist and this current roster will just not get it done.

I don't have anything against him at all
You have to give to get
And I don't wanna give up Ennis
You've already mentioned how Ennis is more proven statistically than O'Reilly is

So tell me where Girgensons fits if we have
Hodgson, O'Reilly, Ennis AND Griegorenko?

Trading for a two-way center gives us the versatility to trade a guy who MIGHT develop into a two-way guy YEARS from now
Girgensons most goals scored in the USHL was ONLY 24
That makes me think he's more likely to be a guy who scores under 20goals for us than a guy who scores more than that

Hodgson, Ennis & Grogorenko are all going to be 30goal scorers IMO,
And O'Reilly can contribute NOW

I don't really see where Girgensons would fit,
So I'm ok moving him
But again, it's what I'd do... I obviously don't know Darcy's thoughts
- jdfitz77

You're not going to have O'Reilly and Ennis. It'll be one or the other.

And Girgensons can play wing. It's where he's been all season in Rochester. Having too many centers is a good problem to have. You can move a center to wing a lot easier than the other way around.

That's funny, I was thinking Ott might make move. They have great prospects and need a good center without Spezza
- sbroads24

I agree 100% that's what I mean, to many teams can make a better offer for O'Reilly because they will move parts, Darcy is to scarred to.

They want a top 6 forward. Darcy is not giving up any of the VHP line. I don't see him moving Foligno now that Kassian has already been moved. Stafford doesn't hold a lot of value right now. That leaves Ennis.

If they got O'Reilly, they're not putting him on a line with Ennis, because they're both centers. Ennis needs to stay in the middle. He's more effective there. It gives him the extra space he needs to play his best game.
- HonkFortheGoose

I agree that Ennis plays better at center now but with the RIGHT center I think he would be just as effective if not more at wing.

I actually believe in Stafford, he just needs a serious shake up to get back into it. Maybe its a trade, maybe its a benching, maybe its ripping his A off and giving it to Steve Ott...

Stafford is killing us contract and his play, that would be a hard sell.
- SABRES 89

Thats why I included Girgensons,
As much as I'd like to keep him....
You have correctly pointed out that you have to give to get, and there are surely other teams bidding on him as well...
How many would include their top center prospect in the deal though?
That might give us an edge

Brad Boyes goal again tonight.

Anyone still care to tell me he was given a fair chance here?

not negative, just realistic. Some team will wow the Av's with a deal and it'll be done.
- mhp

Yes they will, you don't think other GM's know how Darcy operates? they can care less the Sabres want him because they know the other offers will be better.