forgive me if i have a hard time believing you, but i didn't see a SINGLE pens fan who didn't think steckel hit him deliberatley, and basically called for his head.

if you can't understand why sens fans are upset, and perhaps question cookes motives (i for one think it was not intentional), and call them idiots if they're still pissed in a couple of days..........well then i think the biggest idiot you'll likely see is the one staring back at you in the mirror
- sensarmy_11

How do you access these forums with your apparent condition? Blindness.

How do you access these forums with your apparent condition? Blindness.
- brianb0422

wow, you're right, all pens fans were completely rational, none of them thought steckel should have been suspended or disciplined at all, because it was just a hockey play. reading pens fans complaining about it for months and months must have just been a figment of my imagination.

wow, you're right, all pens fans were completely rational, none of them thought steckel should have been suspended or disciplined at all, because it was just a hockey play. reading pens fans complaining about it for months and months must have just been a figment of my imagination.
- sensarmy_11

Hooray sarcasm. You said that you "didn't see a SINGLE" fan that didn't think it was intentional. That is false. It's OK, you're obviously emotional right now.

I really thought the Hedman hit was the real cause for Sid's injury. Cooke is clean for almost 2 years now.

Looks like it is going to be a busy one for Canadian here today.....

The next respected hockey voice in the media or former player who said that Cooke did it on purpose, will be the first.

Lost in the shuffle is a Pens win. I was there, it was pretty sloppy with a fair number of turnovers by the Pens and a lack of puck protection and dumb drop passes. To me, a win is nice but I don't think you could say they played their best. Maybe 60%?

Nisk looked like he was afraid to get hurt and Letang looked well, Letangish. Indecisive and failure to shoot when it was available, but you could say the same thing about Martin when it comes to shooting the puck.

In general they don't look like they have the killer instinct. Drive to the net and take shots when available as well as get it deep and protect the puck. It seems the basics elude them. If we played NJ last night we would have lost.

Lost in the shuffle is a Pens win. I was there, it was pretty sloppy with a fair number of turnovers by the Pens and a lack of puck protection and dumb drop passes. To me, a win is nice but I don't think you could say they played their best. Maybe 60%?

Nisk looked like he was afraid to get hurt and Letang looked well, Letangish. Indecisive and failure to shoot when it was available, but you could say the same thing about Martin when it comes to shooting the puck.

In general they don't look like they have the killer instinct. Drive to the net and take shots when available as well as get it deep and protect the puck. It seems the basics elude them. If we played NJ last night we would have lost.
- powerhouse

Thank God someone saw the same game I saw. The Pens gave up numerous glorious chances. Lots of turnovers in bad areas. Failure to just get the puck on net while still looking for the perfect play. If MAF didn't play well (other than the two bad goals of course) they would have lost. Sens at full force win that game fairly easily. I don't think they even deserve a 60%. The Sens were without their best forwards and tragically lost Karlsson in the 2nd. Not a good game for a team that is "favored" to win a cup IMO.

forgive me if i have a hard time believing you, but i didn't see a SINGLE pens fan who didn't think steckel hit him deliberatley, and basically called for his head.

if you can't understand why sens fans are upset, and perhaps question cookes motives (i for one think it was not intentional), and call them idiots if they're still pissed in a couple of days..........well then i think the biggest idiot you'll likely see is the one staring back at you in the mirror
- sensarmy_11

Then you see what you want to see... like in this case, many Sens fans thinking Cooke did it intentionally.

I'll say I thougt the steckel hit and the Subban hit were dirty at first. After watching many replays I think steckel kind of turned up ice and colided Suban on Staal I still feel like that was a little careless. Watching cooke going into the boards at full speed and cut a guys achiles seems the same a little careless. If you are assuming that Cooke would be able to carry out the precision it would take to premeditate that and do it at high speed well then I think you're giving Cooke a little to much credit in the mental capacity department.

The next respected hockey voice in the media or former player who said that Cooke did it on purpose, will be the first.
- Gunner Staal

Very true... and with trepidation, I check out the comments in the Puck Daddy article, and was relieved to see that most people are approaching it the same way.

I still say despres needs to be with letang and on the pp and nisk help out engels.... also bc its hurting his fantasy points

Very true... and with trepidation, I check out the comments in the Puck Daddy article, and was relieved to see that most people are approaching it the same way.
- rival22

Cooke made his bed. I dont begrudge people for hating him, its more than understandable. Plenty to hate him for without fabricating reasons.

Lost in the shuffle is a Pens win. I was there, it was pretty sloppy with a fair number of turnovers by the Pens and a lack of puck protection and dumb drop passes. To me, a win is nice but I don't think you could say they played their best. Maybe 60%?

Nisk looked like he was afraid to get hurt and Letang looked well, Letangish. Indecisive and failure to shoot when it was available, but you could say the same thing about Martin when it comes to shooting the puck.

In general they don't look like they have the killer instinct. Drive to the net and take shots when available as well as get it deep and protect the puck. It seems the basics elude them. If we played NJ last night we would have lost.
- powerhouse

I'll give Niskanen a game to get going after injury.

It's becoming more and more obvious that Letang's skill outweigh his offensive hockey sense. We've always thought that with experience, he will continue to improve, but I'm not so sure. World class skater and talent, but doesn't have the vision offensively that guys like Gonchar and Karlsson have. I'm not bashing him, because he's better than 95% of the other defensemen in the league, but it seems like it is was it is.

Then you see what you want to see... like in this case, many Sens fans thinking Cooke did it intentionally.
- rival22

I understand the Sens fans being upset, the Toronto, Filthy, and Rags fans are the ones that who are just being trolls and being a-holes.

Cooke made his bed. I dont begrudge people for hating him, its more than understandable. Plenty to hate him for without fabricating reasons.
- Gunner Staal

No hearing for Cooke. Believe that sums it all up.

The next respected hockey voice in the media or former player who said that Cooke did it on purpose, will be the first.
- Gunner Staal

^^^this^^^

Unbelievable how people think it was intentional. Have you people ever played hockey? Some times when you get or give a hit you go on one leg for balance. Cooke went to pin him into the boards and when his skate came down he accidentally got him.

So these are all intentional? http://www.totalprosports...-lacerations-of-all-time/

From the Sens blog........

Well it's obvious to me that Matt Cooke's intention was to severely injure Karlsson. If you break the play down it becomes pretty obvious what Cooke was thinking:

1) With 25.5 seconds left, you can see Cooke and Karlsson turning towards the boards chasing a deflected puck into the corner. If you look at Matt Cooke's face, you can clearly see his left eyebrow raise slightly, and a smirk come across his face as he realizes that this is a perfect opportunity to cross-check Karlsson head-first into the boards from behind.

2) With 24.9 seconds left, Karlsson changes body position, such that a direct check from behind would be almost impossible, and most definitely in Cooke's eyes as not being "devastating enough". Cooke decides at this point that a elbow to the head of Karlsson would most certainly ruin the defencemen's career. Cooke begins to raise his elbow slightly at this point.

3) With 24.4 seconds left, Karlsson and Cooke lose their balance, and you can actually hear Cooke scream a profanity, as he realizes that his opportunity to concuss Karlsson with his elbow has been lost. Cooke though, laughing manically, realizes that this loss of balance has opened the opportunity to slew foot Karlsson, thus propelling him awkwardly into the boards, and breaking both legs.

4) With 23.9 seconds left, Cooke misses his opportunity to slew foot Karlsson. Realizing that he is almost out of options, you can clearly see that Cooke has a eureka moment (made obvious by the light bulb that appears above Cooke's head at the 23.9 mark). Cooke, remembering his high school biology lab on the human body and realizing that Karlsson is not wearing protective socks, literally says "Screw it" and cuts Karlsson's achilles with surgical procession.

5) And the most damning evidence, with 23.5 seconds left in the period and Karlsson writhing in obvious pain on the ice, you can distinctly see Cooke stop, point at Karlsson and start laughing.
- BruHAWK

From the Sens blog........
- cap1681

Ok. That was pretty good. I'm suprised he didn't throw in an evil laugh & mustache twirl somewhere in there.

From the Sens blog........
- cap1681

Hahaha. The sad thing is that some sens fans will take this seriously and actually think this is what really happened

Cooke made his bed. I dont begrudge people for hating him, its more than understandable. Plenty to hate him for without fabricating reasons.
- Gunner Staal

To be rationale, if someone with a history (say...PK Subban) did this to a compareable player we have to Karlsson (say....Letang) some of us would be up in arms for sure. Right or wrong, it is based off of emotions at times.

That is why sticking a mic in front of players and coaches right after a game is not a good thing at times.

From the Sens blog........
- cap1681

I didn't even get to the second point and had to stop reading. If you are breaking a collision down in tenths of a second and looking at facial expressions on paused video, then anything that comes after that is pointless to read.

edit... well, I kept reading, and realized that it was a joke... lol.. well done

I'm an idiot

I didn't even get to the second point and had to stop reading. If you are breaking a collision down in tenths of a second and looking at facial expressions on paused video, then anything that comes after that is pointless to read.
- rival22

It's a sarcastic analysis. Read it again lol

Edit: just got your edit haha

forgive me if i have a hard time believing you, but i didn't see a SINGLE pens fan who didn't think steckel hit him deliberatley, and basically called for his head.

if you can't understand why sens fans are upset, and perhaps question cookes motives (i for one think it was not intentional), and call them idiots if they're still pissed in a couple of days..........well then i think the biggest idiot you'll likely see is the one staring back at you in the mirror
- sensarmy_11

Steckel led with this shoulder to Crosby's head. That is illegal. The only comparison between the two you can make is it involved two of the game's best players. That is it. While the play with Karlsson was unfortunate and you hate to see it, people who think that was deliberate or intentional are fools or idiots. They lack alot when it comes to the game. Every TV hockey commentator has said it wasn't intentional and it was a freak accident ... that Cooke shouldn't be blamed and many of them were his biggest critics two years ago. Shanahan said nothing to see here as far as Cooke. He should know because he played the game and has had a history with Cooke before.

Again, if this would have been Pascal Dupuis instead of Matt Cooke, no one would be blinking an eye on this one - it would be a freak accident. But since Cooke has a history, it has to be deliberate, even though his history is head shots, not slicing up someone's leg like Subban or Chris Simon.

Sorry it happened ... wish him a speedy recovery, but you, like the rest who think this is Cook's fault, need a reality check.

Blame someone, blame the officials for not blowing a play dead seconds earlier. You want to blame Cooke and have him thrown out of the league, you may as well shut down the NHL entirely.

From the Sens blog........
- cap1681

They really need a reality check. They actually think Chris Neil is a clean player too.