I cold see Phil settle in for 8 years at 5.75 per...regardless of whether he'd be paid less than Phaneuf. Dion won't be making anywhere close to what he is on his next contract...
- p_zub

That'd be a huge discount considering Zajac. Hope you're right ...but I don't see it happening at that price.

If u are trading for someone better than O'Reilly(proven#1) u are going to have to give up both Kadri and Gardner +..
- Fruitcakenipple

then dont trade for that guy

unless of course you want to make the same stupid mistakes the leafs have made over and over for the last 25+ years.

U want to draft and wait 3yrs to develop a #1 center??....
- Fruitcakenipple

He scored 51 points last year, prior to that he had two 20 point seasons. 51 points on a bad Colorado Av team....does that mean Landeskog is already an elite winger? I do see the M. Richards comparison, but there isn;t a deal here that won't cost us our 1st in a good draft. This isn;t about tanking, its about putting into perspective is paying a guy who had 50 points 5M worth it? Moreover, take Sam Gagner for example at age 20: 2009-10 Edmonton NHL 68 15 26 41 -8.....thats not much different than O'Reilly is it?

edit: 55 my bad.

That's fine on our end but there is no top prospect in there for the Avs, you take a look at what we have, you would think they would ask for one of Rielly, Gardiner, Biggs or Percy/Blacker (last two is iffy). Rielly is out of the question, so then, who is the prospect to go?
- LeafMan

Throw in Percy.

Don't think he has a career in Toronto personally.

With Rielly, Gardiner, Holzer, Blacker, ect. Is there room for percy?

move neither unless its for someone far better than O'Reilly

seriously.. whats with all the O'Reilly chatter.. 55 points as a 21 year old.. okay.. thats good.. but not mind blowingly good.

that tends to happen when you are played with the best offensive players and gets lots of ice time (he averaged nearly 20min a game last year)

that means he is is roughly 0.679PPG player at 20min a night

Kadri right now is averaging 0.846PPG and only getting just over 14min a night on average.

and people are saying Kadri plus for O'Reilly? no thanks. no thanks at all.
- Dozzer

I haven't bought into the hype that somehow teams are lining up to offer their best prospects and 1st rounders for him. Considering the state their negotiations have been for the longest time, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be gone already if a team was that willing to give up their top prospect(s) and a 1st.

then dont trade for that guy

unless of course you want to make the same stupid mistakes the leafs have made over and over for the last 25+ years.
- Dozzer

Exactly!

Stay patient and try to sign one if possible. No reason to rush into the same old mistakes.

He scored 51 points last year, prior to that he had two 20 point seasons. 51 points on a bad Colorado Av team....does that mean Landeskog is already an elite winger? I do see the M. Richards comparison, but there isn;t a deal here that won't cost us our 1st in a good draft. This isn;t about tanking, its about putting into perspective is paying a guy who had 50 points 5M worth it? Moreover, take Sam Gagner for example at age 20: 2009-10 Edmonton NHL 68 15 26 41 -8.....thats not much different than O'Reilly is it?
- mykokes

I said Rielly and the 1st are not on the table.

I haven't bought into the hype that somehow teams are lining up to offer their best prospects and 1st rounders for him. Considering the state their negotiations have been for the longest time, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be gone already if a team was that willing to give up their top prospect(s) and a 1st.
- p_zub

its all hype.. just as you said, nothing more

then dont trade for that guy

unless of course you want to make the same stupid mistakes the leafs have made over and over for the last 25+ years.
- Dozzer

Well u wont be getting a #1 C.....

If u think one isn't need than thats fine...

Throw in Percy.

Don't think he has a career in Toronto personally.

With Rielly, Gardiner, Holzer, Blacker, ect. Is there room for percy?
- jbold

You have Finn & Nilsson in the mix to, I only say Nilsson because he has really opened some eyes with his play recently.

He scored 51 points last year, prior to that he had two 20 point seasons. 51 points on a bad Colorado Av team....does that mean Landeskog is already an elite winger? I do see the M. Richards comparison, but there isn;t a deal here that won't cost us our 1st in a good draft. This isn;t about tanking, its about putting into perspective is paying a guy who had 50 points 5M worth it? Moreover, take Sam Gagner for example at age 20: 2009-10 Edmonton NHL 68 15 26 41 -8.....thats not much different than O'Reilly is it?
- mykokes

Gagner and O'Reilly are much different players. No way Gagner even compares IMO.

then dont trade for that guy

unless of course you want to make the same stupid mistakes the leafs have made over and over for the last 25+ years.
- Dozzer

I don't think getting a team's best defensive forward who also led their team in scoring at the age of 21 is the same mistakes the Leafs have been making.

If the Leafs had been making those mistakes all along, we would have had a championship or two by now.

Give Garret Sparks a shot with the big club.
- Return of the Roar

The (frank)??

its all hype.. just as you said, nothing more
- Dozzer

People are going by what Dreger said, The Avs are looking for a roster player and top prospect.

You have Finn & Nilsson in the mix to, I only say Nilsson because he has really opened some eyes with his play recently.
- LeafMan

Leafs have a glut of D prospects. I would not hesitate to throw in one of them not named Gardiner or Rielly. If I trade Gardiner orKadri though, the Avs don't get much else... that is why I said Aston/Colborne as the "throw-in". I don't think either of those guys has a significant NHL career ahead of them.

its all hype.. just as you said, nothing more
- Dozzer

And great, he put up a 55 point season playing top minutes, while being defensively responsible...age aside, we had two of those 2 years ago in Grabovsky and Kulemin. How do we know this season won't be a complete write off for him as he takes his time to get his legs and timing back? How do we know he doesn't pull a Kulemin and fall off the wagon from his career high? Defensive forwards are great, but paying someone 5+million before you've seen year-to-year consistency is ridiculous.

Frattin out 1 week

Well u wont be getting a #1 C.....

If u think one isn't need than thats fine...
- Fruitcakenipple

o'reilly has done nothing to prove he is a number one centre..

20min a game on the top line and only walks away with 55 points?

yeah.. i think he has alot to prove before i bank on him to my number 1

That'd be a huge discount considering Zajac. Hope you're right ...but I don't see it happening at that price.
- The Law

Kessel's an interesting case...I like to think he'll be different, but then again I could be completely wrong. Agents don't just ejaculate sentimentality for finishing a career in a city unless a hometown discount was somewhat possible.

I hope it does.


All the people who cry about Seguin and Hamilton will hate this.


But just because they're butt hurt we dont have Seguin and Hamilton, doesn't mean we should trade Kessel.
- jbold

I dont believe thats why they are suggesting to trade him

Frattin out 1 week
- jbold

Wont be missed...Leaf have a glut of players...

He scored 51 points last year, prior to that he had two 20 point seasons. 51 points on a bad Colorado Av team....does that mean Landeskog is already an elite winger? I do see the M. Richards comparison, but there isn;t a deal here that won't cost us our 1st in a good draft. This isn;t about tanking, its about putting into perspective is paying a guy who had 50 points 5M worth it? Moreover, take Sam Gagner for example at age 20: 2009-10 Edmonton NHL 68 15 26 41 -8.....thats not much different than O'Reilly is it?

edit: 55 my bad.
- mykokes

One is known as a high point forward (Why Gagner was drafted so high) one is known as a defensive playmaker (Why he was outside the 1st round). Not comparable.

Frattin out 1 week
- jbold

Gagner and O'Reilly are much different players. No way Gagner even compares IMO.
- Aetherial

Again, fair point, I'm just saying last year was the perfect storm for O'Reilly. Duchene's game fell off and so did Stastny's and Landeskog came out of nowhere like a phenom. He's a good centre, very much like Mike Richards, but not the #1 centre I'm hoping for. If a deal is there, do it, but I can't see that there is.

People are going by what Dreger said, The Avs are looking for a roster player and top prospect.
- LeafMan

an overpayment for o'reilly at this point

a servicable second liner and a second tier prospect is all he is worth right now.. he has to show consistency before his value goes up imo