A month ago I would have punched you in the face for suggesting Gardiner could be dealt ...and kicked anybody in the balls for suggesting that Kadri was more untouchable. But now ...seeing Kadri play and with the defence playing well and the kids in the pipe I think Gardiner is at least a little more moveable than Kadri.
- The Law

I would still move Kadri WAY before I would move Gardiner. The upside of Gardiner is more rare than the upside of Kadri IMO.

Avs best defensive forward. Just turned 22. Outscored every Leaf not named Kessel or Lupul last year.

I think the Leafs can make room for such a player.
- Aetherial

Don't want him, not for the reported asking price. Keep the picks and try and land a guy like him in the draft. In 2013, that could very well be possible. Plus, at Kadri's pace, he's likely to put up similar points. Would you give up a 1st and a top prospect for Kadri? Reilly just screams at me the whole : The grass is greener on the other side.

And don't move Gardiner, has Kadri's development this year not taught you guys anything?

Yep...I can understand some fans not wanting to give up what it would take to land him but to say we have no room/he's not what the leaf need is reaching at best.....

O'Reilly would be the #1C on the Leafs...
- Fruitcakenipple

If you're not shipping out a forward in the deal, then moves have to be made first. Then you will have two 5 plus million dollar second line centres on the roster.

Don't want him, not for the reported asking price. Keep the picks and try and land a guy like him in the draft. In 2013, that could very well be possible. Plus, at Kadri's pace, he's likely to put up similar points. Would you give up a 1st and a top prospect for Kadri? Reilly just screams at me the whole : The grass is greener on the other side.

And don't move Gardiner, has Kadri's development this year not taught you guys anything?
- mykokes

U want to draft and wait 3yrs to develop a #1 center??....

Avs best defensive forward. Just turned 22. Outscored every Leaf not named Kessel or Lupul last year.

I think the Leafs can make room for such a player.
- Aetherial

The problem is that's fantastic, but it would be better to see if he's capable of that level of play before we both a) commit the desired trade pieces and b) commit to O'Reilly's salary demands. There's a skeptic in me that thinks that he'll be a consistent 40 point player who despite being a great 2-way presence, will not live up to the billing of being a 5 million dollar+ player...

Don't want him, not for the reported asking price. Keep the picks and try and land a guy like him in the draft. In 2013, that could very well be possible. Plus, at Kadri's pace, he's likely to put up similar points. Would you give up a 1st and a top prospect for Kadri? Reilly just screams at me the whole : The grass is greener on the other side.
- mykokes

I understand the point, but I believe the kid is the real deal has #1 C upside, and if you can keep your 1st, you still can draft a #1C and have a great #2 C.

I like Grabo, but I would prefer O'Reilly. If Grabo is still with the team O'Reilly is our #1 C, no question.

For me, the comparable is Mike Richards.

Philip's agent says he loves playing for the Leafs and wants to extend: http://www.sportsnet.ca/5...t_wade_arnott_brady_lang/

What's your cap limit for Phil? 6.5/5yrs for me.
- 1979AD

I'd give Philthy term .....7 or even 8 years in exchange for a bit of a home town discount and some wiggle room on his NTC. Zajac just got 8 x 5.75

I think 6.5 is a discounted price ...so 7 or 8 x 6.5 milly is fine by me*.

*opinion subject to constant change.

If you're not shipping out a forward in the deal, then moves have to be made first. Then you will have two 5 plus million dollar second line centres on the roster.
- LeafMan

Thats when u start shopping Grabs or Bozak...Dont know about others but imo that would be a decent problem to have at this point...

Don't want him, not for the reported asking price. Keep the picks and try and land a guy like him in the draft. In 2013, that could very well be possible. Plus, at Kadri's pace, he's likely to put up similar points. Would you give up a 1st and a top prospect for Kadri? Reilly just screams at me the whole : The grass is greener on the other side.

And don't move Gardiner, has Kadri's development this year not taught you guys anything?
- mykokes

If you're not shipping out a forward in the deal, then moves have to be made first. Then you will have two 5 plus million dollar second line centres on the roster.
- LeafMan

Get MacArthur off the team.


Lupul-ORielly-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Kulemin
Kadri-Bozak-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-McLaren

Phaneuf-Holzer
Kostka-Liles
Franson-Fraser


Trade Gunnar+MacArthur+Prospect for O'rielly





Mac is a free agent. And does anyone actually think he'll be brought back?

Gunnar is a RFA. Who knows what he'll ask for in the offseason.

I'd give Philthy term .....7 or even 8 years in exchange for a bit of a home town discount and some wiggle room on his NTC. Zajac just got 8 x 5.75

I think 6.5 is a discounted price ...so 7 or 8 x 6.5 milly is fine by me*.

*opinion subject to constant change.
- The Law

I cold see Phil settle in for 8 years at 5.75 per...regardless of whether he'd be paid less than Phaneuf. Dion won't be making anywhere close to what he is on his next contract...

I would still move Kadri WAY before I would move Gardiner. The upside of Gardiner is more rare than the upside of Kadri IMO.
- Aetherial

move neither unless its for someone far better than O'Reilly

seriously.. whats with all the O'Reilly chatter.. 55 points as a 21 year old.. okay.. thats good.. but not mind blowingly good.

that tends to happen when you are played with the best offensive players and gets lots of ice time (he averaged nearly 20min a game last year)

that means he is is roughly 0.679PPG player at 20min a night

Kadri right now is averaging 0.846PPG and only getting just over 14min a night on average.

and people are saying Kadri plus for O'Reilly? no thanks. no thanks at all.

move neither unless its for someone far better than O'Reilly


- Dozzer

This.

Yep...I can understand some fans not wanting to give up what it would take to land him but to say we have no room/he's not what the leaf need is reaching at best.....

O'Reilly would be the #1C on the Leafs...
- Fruitcakenipple

O'Reilly isn't Duchene no matter what his agent is telling people.
IMO Grabovski is better than Oreilley,
O'relley isn;t much better than Bozak (if at all)
All 3 play a similar game. We don;t need another one of these guys.

Leafs need a big center to compete with guys like Krejci and Richards. To be honest if Kadri can fill in and bulk up, he plays the physical skill game we are lacking in our top 6. He might be the best future option out there.

When Mike Richards was 21, he put up 32 points and was -12 on arguably a better team.

It is a gamble to pick up O'Reilly, but I think, at worst, you get a good player. I think there is a reasonable chance that Kadri or Gardiner never quite live up to their hype either.

It isn't just the points, it is the 2-way play.

I would still move Kadri WAY before I would move Gardiner. The upside of Gardiner is more rare than the upside of Kadri IMO.
- Aetherial

Probably right ....I'm sure I'll flip flop a few more times. The depth on D makes moving Gardiner for the right piece atleast a consideration ...whereas last year it would have been suicide to even think it.

So, what would we give for Ryan O'Reilly?

Would you trade Kadri straight up?

What you do Kadri + Percy or Blacker?

Would you trade Grabovski straight up?

What about Grabovski and a pick?

Would you do Gardiner straight up?

Would you do Gardiner + Ashton/Colborne?

I would probably do any of the above.
- Aetherial

Don' think I'd do any of those, they all seem like lateral moves. One of the things the Leafs have in abundance is 2nd and 3rd line centres. We have 4 guys that can play on the 2n-3rd lines, if we're going to give up good players/prospects, it has to be for a true #1 centre. I have no problem trading any of these guys, but I think it should be for something that is much needed, O'rielly isn't that guy.

When Mike Richards was 21, he put up 32 points and was -12 on arguably a better team.

It is a gamble to pick up O'Reilly, but I think, at worst, you get a good player. I think there is a reasonable chance that Kadri or Gardiner never quite live up to their hype either.

It isn't just the points, it is the 2-way play.
- Aetherial

Personally, I don't think we would have to move Kadri or Gardiner for him.

O'Reilly isn't Duchene no matter what his agent is telling people.
IMO Grabovski is better than Oreilley,
O'relley isn;t much better than Bozak (if at all)
All 3 play a similar game. We don;t need another one of these guys.

Leafs need a big center to compete with guys like Krejci and Richards. To be honest if Kadri can fill in and bulk up, he plays the physical skill game we are lacking in our top 6. He might be the best future option out there.
- B-Wforever

Wtf man.

Get MacArthur off the team.


Lupul-ORielly-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Kulemin
Kadri-Bozak-Frattin
Komarov-McClement-McLaren

Phaneuf-Holzer
Kostka-Liles
Franson-Fraser


Trade Gunnar+MacArthur+Prospect for O'rielly





Mac is a free agent. And does anyone actually think he'll be brought back?

Gunnar is a RFA. Who knows what he'll ask for in the offseason.
- jbold

That's fine on our end but there is no top prospect in there for the Avs, you take a look at what we have, you would think they would ask for one of Rielly, Gardiner, Biggs or Percy/Blacker (last two is iffy). Rielly is out of the question, so then, who is the prospect to go?

Personally, I don't think we would have to move Kadri or Gardiner for him.
- jbold

nor is he worth either.

move neither unless its for someone far better than O'Reilly

seriously.. whats with all the O'Reilly chatter.. 55 points as a 21 year old.. okay.. thats good.. but not mind blowingly good.

that tends to happen when you are played with the best offensive players and gets lots of ice time (he averaged nearly 20min a game last year)

that means he is is roughly 0.679PPG player at 20min a night

Kadri right now is averaging 0.846PPG and only getting just over 14min a night on average.

and people are saying Kadri plus for O'Reilly? no thanks. no thanks at all.
- Dozzer

If u are trading for someone better than O'Reilly(proven#1) u are going to have to give up both Kadri and Gardner +..

move neither unless its for someone far better than O'Reilly

seriously.. whats with all the O'Reilly chatter.. 55 points as a 21 year old.. okay.. thats good.. but not mind blowingly good.

that tends to happen when you are played with the best offensive players and gets lots of ice time (he averaged nearly 20min a game last year)

that means he is is roughly 0.679PPG player at 20min a night

Kadri right now is averaging 0.846PPG and only getting just over 14min a night on average.

and people are saying Kadri plus for O'Reilly? no thanks. no thanks at all.
- Dozzer

He compares better than favourably to Mike Richards at the same age. You are ignoring who is outscored on his own team. You are not considering the opinion that he was the Avs best forward.

I thinkif he is dealt that the Avs get something equivalent from another team.

Good debate though. It is interesting to see the people who basically feel he isnot much improvement vs the people who feel our top young guys (except Rielly) are expendable.

Wtf man.
- systemtool

This is going to make some here grumpy and for that I
- LeafMan

Me too, Im not Sold on the Maybes we traded for him: Ken Hodge Jr. and Glenn Wesley esq. players.