How old is the kid? 22 year old puck moving defenseman. Yeah he's clearly not worthy we should throw in the towel
- stevecarpetman

The kid does amazing last year, is like god, has concussion and trying to regain his form... writes him off already

This is the same logic that makes people say we threw away 2 1st round picks and a 2nd.

Ignore that we're talking about another young player coming back.
- Feeling Glucky?

I prefer the devil we know versus the devil we don't. I believe in drafting talent and letting them develop together. The core of the team should be made that way. The reason the younger guys are doing so well is because they have been playing together for a while now in the AHL. They know each other and they have enough youth that they don't feel like kids walking on egg shells.

Part of the reason we have ruined young talent over the years is we keep trying to insert them on a team of veterans and expect them to just gel. Young guy need to earn their respect with an older team, there is an unseen barrier to overcome for respect. Not the same if half the team is changed for young players as you then have two groups supporting each other.

worked throughout the NHL. Sens did it last year too. Teams like the Oilers and Islanders have the opposite problem, to many young guys with a couple veterans, and they shut out the older guys.

I think we let them play, we offer reasonable trades if good players come available and stay the course if nobody bites. Don't trade away for an unknown. I like what we are seeing these days. Team sticking up for one another finally.

Team has stunk since Kaberle got his head taken off and nobody stood up for him after.

that looks like a wink, not a link
- bobbyisno1

The link is dangerous. I got poked in the eye, through my monitor.

google too complex for you?
- Dozzer

not if i actually cared

The kid does amazing last year, is like god, has concussion and trying to regain his form... writes him off already
- Mapleleafs_91

Who was writing him off??...

I imagine we could have a very pointed discussion about it.
- Aetherial

The nipple to hard ratio must be astounding.

What if they wrote the name Gardiner down? Consider it?
- The Law

Yes.

Easy.

Done.

Just to iron out my position here:

O'Reilly and Gardiner:

Both very good young players.
Both overrated, based on a single season.

O'Reilly saw a lot of extra ice-time, because the other centers were sucking, not because he improved, but he also did put up better numbers. He's also physical and very strong defensively.

Gardiner had good numbers for a rookie defenseman. But dear god did he suck defensively. Lots of mistakes. He's really got to improve his defensive game.

Leafs have a few offensive d-men in their prospect pool, as well as a PMD vet that the team regards as a leader(hence being the 3rd A). So they can afford to lose Gardiner, if the price is right.

At center, we've got Kadri, and then (frank)-all in terms of high-end prospects.
O'Reilly fits into the same role as Grabo and Bozak... but is younger than either, and ahead of where either player was at the same age.

Acquiring O'Rielly means we can move one of those other guys for another piece, as well. Maybe even one of the teams that missed out on O'Reilly, maybe in a package for an upgrade at another position, or a further upgrade at center.

Just to iron out my position here:

O'Reilly and Gardiner:

Both very good young players.
Both overrated, based on a single season.

O'Reilly saw a lot of extra ice-time, because the other centers were sucking, not because he improved, but he also did put up better numbers. He's also physical and very strong defensively.

Gardiner had good numbers for a rookie defenseman. But dear god did he suck defensively. Lots of mistakes. He's really got to improve his defensive game.

Leafs have a few offensive d-men in their prospect pool, as well as a PMD vet that the team regards as a leader(hence being the 3rd A). So they can afford to lose Gardiner, if the price is right.

At center, we've got Kadri, and then (frank)-all in terms of high-end prospects.
O'Reilly fits into the same role as Grabo and Bozak... but is younger than either, and ahead of where either player was at the same age.

Acquiring O'Rielly means we can move one of those other guys for another piece, as well. Maybe even one of the teams that missed out on O'Reilly, maybe in a package for an upgrade at another position, or a further upgrade at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

Yep..Thats pretty much what many(myself included) have been saying...


That said someone sure to say we are writing off Gardiner/ giving him away for nothing...


"U dont trade a sure thing like Gardiner for a 1yr wonder like O'Reilly"....
.

Just to iron out my position here:

O'Reilly and Gardiner:

Both very good young players.
Both overrated, based on a single season.

O'Reilly saw a lot of extra ice-time, because the other centers were sucking, not because he improved, but he also did put up better numbers. He's also physical and very strong defensively.

Gardiner had good numbers for a rookie defenseman. But dear god did he suck defensively. Lots of mistakes. He's really got to improve his defensive game.

Leafs have a few offensive d-men in their prospect pool, as well as a PMD vet that the team regards as a leader(hence being the 3rd A). So they can afford to lose Gardiner, if the price is right.

At center, we've got Kadri, and then (frank)-all in terms of high-end prospects.
O'Reilly fits into the same role as Grabo and Bozak... but is younger than either, and ahead of where either player was at the same age.

Acquiring O'Rielly means we can move one of those other guys for another piece, as well. Maybe even one of the teams that missed out on O'Reilly, maybe in a package for an upgrade at another position, or a further upgrade at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

(frank) off Glucker.

O'Reilly sucks, Matt Stajan 2.0
Gardiner is untouchable, unless he is moved for a sure fire #1 centerman.

(frank) off Glucker.
- AdamFrench

U Just hate O'Reilly.....

Just to iron out my position here:

O'Reilly and Gardiner:

Both very good young players.
Both overrated, based on a single season.

O'Reilly saw a lot of extra ice-time, because the other centers were sucking, not because he improved, but he also did put up better numbers. He's also physical and very strong defensively.

Gardiner had good numbers for a rookie defenseman. But dear god did he suck defensively. Lots of mistakes. He's really got to improve his defensive game.

Leafs have a few offensive d-men in their prospect pool, as well as a PMD vet that the team regards as a leader(hence being the 3rd A). So they can afford to lose Gardiner, if the price is right.

At center, we've got Kadri, and then (frank)-all in terms of high-end prospects.
O'Reilly fits into the same role as Grabo and Bozak... but is younger than either, and ahead of where either player was at the same age.

Acquiring O'Rielly means we can move one of those other guys for another piece, as well. Maybe even one of the teams that missed out on O'Reilly, maybe in a package for an upgrade at another position, or a further upgrade at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

O' Rielly can easily be a bust... or not even go further in production or not even reach 55 pts again... we have mac, kul, grabo, bozak who are all similar in point production and some have drifted apart as good examples.. O'Rielly is not that number one centerman were looking for

(frank) off Glucker.
- AdamFrench

is it me, or do you really like Oreilly

Just to iron out my position here:

O'Reilly and Gardiner:

Both very good young players.
Both overrated, based on a single season.

O'Reilly saw a lot of extra ice-time, because the other centers were sucking, not because he improved, but he also did put up better numbers. He's also physical and very strong defensively.

Gardiner had good numbers for a rookie defenseman. But dear god did he suck defensively. Lots of mistakes. He's really got to improve his defensive game.

Leafs have a few offensive d-men in their prospect pool, as well as a PMD vet that the team regards as a leader(hence being the 3rd A). So they can afford to lose Gardiner, if the price is right.

At center, we've got Kadri, and then (frank)-all in terms of high-end prospects.
O'Reilly fits into the same role as Grabo and Bozak... but is younger than either, and ahead of where either player was at the same age.

Acquiring O'Rielly means we can move one of those other guys for another piece, as well. Maybe even one of the teams that missed out on O'Reilly, maybe in a package for an upgrade at another position, or a further upgrade at center.
- Feeling Glucky?

So....

O'Reilly for Grabbo, Gardiner and something else, but that something else does not include Kadri or a 1st rounder.

Mac? Colborne?

Oh poop, I'm starting to sound like I'm doing a deal on NHL94.

Holy (frank) you tardigan. At the time he had ONE good season. It was a (frank)ign anomaly just like O'Reilly's is in your dim little mind. Why was Kessel considered perfect and only going to get better by you and others yet O'Reilly is a fluke. This is the exact same (frank)ing situation except one was an ultra scoring winger, the other a defensive specialist center.
- AdamFrench

WOW ... That's gotta be a bannable post !

O'Reilly sucks, Matt Stajan 2.0
Gardiner is untouchable, unless he is moved for a sure fire #1 centerman.
- ThePresident

Exactly...Getting a proven #1 C for Gardiner is easy....


Better yet the Leafs are good enough now and dont need a #1...

Thigh gap
- Aetherial

So....

O'Reilly for Grabbo, Gardiner and something else, but that something else does not include Kadri or a 1st rounder.

Mac? Colborne?

Oh poop, I'm starting to sound like I'm doing a deal on NHL94.
- Atomic Wedgie

I might do Grabo + Gardiner only because the Grabo salary dump would be good if you had O'Reilly. As far as the something else... I don't think so,certainly not anything much.

is it me, or do you really like Oreilly
- bobbyisno1

He spends 3 pages ridiculing me then makes the exact same deal I had in mind (Except add Kulemin). Yet people call UG the sole unrelenting argumentative for the sake of argumentation

Exactly...Getting a proven #1 C for Gardiner is easy....


Better yet the Leafs are good enough now and dont need a #1...
- Fruitcakenipple

Not a #1 centerman just for Gardiner alone, of course more would have to be included in a trade, but not trading him for a #2 centerman in O'Reilly.

So....

O'Reilly for Grabbo, Gardiner and something else, but that something else does not include Kadri or a 1st rounder.

Mac? Colborne?

Oh poop, I'm starting to sound like I'm doing a deal on NHL94.
- Atomic Wedgie

No, Gardiner straight up.

Not worth more.

O' Rielly can easily be a bust... or not even go further in production or not even reach 55 pts again... we have mac, kul, grabo, bozak who are all similar in point production and some have drifted apart as good examples.. O'Rielly is not that number one centerman were looking for
- Mapleleafs_91

None of the above led his team in scoring at 21 AND was regarded as their best defensive forward at the same time AND was physical.

How many players can say the same.

The closest comparison is really Richards, except thet O'Reilly is bigger and accomplished more at the same age.

Not a #1 centerman just for Gardiner alone, of course more would have to be included in a trade, but not trading him for a #2 centerman in O'Reilly.
- ThePresident

Gardiner and a 1st +??....Gardiner and Kadri or Frattin??...


U want a proven #1C u better be ready to pay the price...

No, Gardiner straight up.

Not worth more.
- Feeling Glucky?

Dude, he's not that good, why do you want him on the Leafs when we already have comparable players in Bozak and Grabo?