No, Gardiner straight up.

Not worth more.
- Feeling Glucky?

Avalanche tell you to go blow yourself, then.

We have a 29 year old center on our second line making 5+, whose best year was 58 points.

I like Grabo but come on O'Reilly makes the leafs better.

He spends 3 pages ridiculing me then makes the exact same deal I had in mind (Except add Kulemin). Yet people call UG the sole unrelenting argumentative for the sake of argumentation
- AdamFrench

I was arguing against people saying 1st and Rielly for O'Reilly, saying that his spike in numbers wasn't worth that package.

I never said anything about your offer. Not that I'd do your offer.

Avalanche tell you to go blow yourself, then.
- Atomic Wedgie

And I tell them that I would if I could.

So apparently pens want kulemin? what would we even get from the pens... derrick pouliot?

Avalanche tell you to go blow yourself, then.
- Atomic Wedgie

Probably but it depends on what others are offering.

Maybe you give up Gardiner + some other prospect you can suck them into taking. We have a few forward prospects I don't expect much from.

He spends 3 pages ridiculing me then makes the exact same deal I had in mind (Except add Kulemin). Yet people call UG the sole unrelenting argumentative for the sake of argumentation
- AdamFrench

he sounds like a decent player but is he first line center material?

I was arguing against people saying 1st and Rielly for O'Reilly, saying that his spike in numbers wasn't worth that package.

I never said anything about your offer. Not that I'd do your offer.
- Feeling Glucky?

Did someone say that? I don't recall seeing that suggested. In fact, I am not sure I saw anyone talking about the 1st OR Rielly, nevermind both?

We have a 29 year old center on our second line making 5+, whose best year was 58 points.

I like Grabo but come on O'Reilly makes the leafs better.
- Aetherial

So what happens when his ceiling is only 50 pts or doesnt perform again to his 55 points+ ? What happens if holzer and fraser drift off and dont play well?

he sounds like a decent player but is he first line center material?
- bobbyisno1

He led his team in points overall, so hewhy net?

Gardiner and a 1st +??....Gardiner and Kadri??...


U want a proven #1C u better be ready to pay the price...
- Fruitcakenipple

Understandable, but I wouldn't throw away such a valuable trade chip for a player that could be the next Matt Stajan. He's just not that good, of course he had a good year, it was a contract year. Notice he's trying so damn hard to land a big contract, because he knows how hard he had to play to get to that level and its a flash in the pan year. The Avalanche see this, I don't know why we're even discussing wanting to acquire this guy, clearly he has attitude problems, thinks hes better than he is, and we already have Grabo, Bozak, and Kadri capable of 2nd line duties.

So apparently pens want kulemin? what would we even get from the pens... derrick pouliot?
- Mapleleafs_91

Simon Despres.

he sounds like a decent player but is he first line center material?
- bobbyisno1

Is Richards?

There are very few big, physical, 80+ point #1 centermen in the league.

Simon Despres.
- ThePresident

Sutter?

We have a 29 year old center on our second line making 5+, whose best year was 58 points.

I like Grabo but come on O'Reilly makes the leafs better.
- Aetherial

If a miracle happens and the Leafs sign a #1, Grabbo is gone.

By next year, Kadri is promoted to #2, Bozak slides to #3 so that I don't have to hate him anymore, and the #4 spot is taken by any of the 7 guys we have who can play 4th line centre.

Buh-bye, Grabbo.

So if it happens a little earlier, I'm not particularly upset.

He led his team in points overall, so hewhy net?
- AdamFrench

then Gardiner probably isn't enough

Probably but it depends on what others are offering.

Maybe you give up Gardiner + some other prospect you can suck them into taking. We have a few forward prospects I don't expect much from.
- Aetherial

Agreed - D'Amigo will never play in the NHL.

That's who you were thinking, amirite?

Amirite?

Did someone say that? I don't recall seeing that suggested. In fact, I am not sure I saw anyone talking about the 1st OR Rielly, nevermind both?
- Aetherial

I said a mid-to-late first and a decent prospect for him(but I'd still be hesitant), somebody "agreed" with me saying a top-10 protected 1st and Rielly.

Understandable, but I wouldn't throw away such a valuable trade chip for a player that could be the next Matt Stajan. He's just not that good, of course he had a good year, it was a contract year. Notice he's trying so damn hard to land a big contract, because he knows how hard he had to play to get to that level and its a flash in the pan year. The Avalanche see this, I don't know why we're even discussing wanting to acquire this guy, clearly he has attitude problems, thinks hes better than he is, and we already have Grabo, Bozak, and Kadri capable of 2nd line duties.
- ThePresident

didn't Kessel have attitude problems? isn't that how we got him in the first place

might as well try it
- Aetherial

Best .... avatar ..... ever.

Simon Despres.
- ThePresident

Not sure despres or sutter fits the bill for us. You gotta understand that the PENS want a guy like kulemin and kulemin can do some real damage with malkin surely together. Kulemin is an important 2-way player for us, former 30G scorer and you can already tell those 2 will rack up points big time. Despres or Sutter doesn't really give us something, like despres is a big boy but iunno if hes exactly worth it. Getting a young prospect like derrick pouliot would be worth it i would assume. Since both him derrick pouliot and Rielly are doing very good in the WHL. Just a thought

So what happens when his ceiling is only 50 pts or doesnt perform again to his 55 points+ ? What happens if holzer and fraser drift off and dont play well?
- Mapleleafs_91

Well then what is your criteria for evaluating talent?

Does he need more than 1, 55 point season ... OK fine, then how come Kadri is untouchable?

If a 21 year old is the best defensive player and the leading scorer on a team, I would say that he is an outstanding prospect.

If you are going to worry about him becoming Matt Stajan, then what will it take to convince you that ANY 22 year old is good enough?

Is Richards?

There are very few big, physical, 80+ point #1 centermen in the league.
- Aetherial

i'm sold, who else do we have to give away to get him

Agreed - D'Amigo will never play in the NHL.

That's who you were thinking, amirite?

Amirite?
- Atomic Wedgie

He is one of them for sure. Colborne, Ashton,Maybe even Biggs although I have not given up on Biggs.

i'm sold, who else do we have to give away to get him
- bobbyisno1

LOL... I really should drop this subject.