Have to say that the Habs winning tonight is such a feel good story. This is how hockey should always be played. When no one is biting them or hitting them or laughing at them, they are a plucky little team and can hang in there with teams like TB who have lost 4 in a row.

Way to go boys!
- Canada Cup

My sentiments exactly! Hell of a lot of loser points being given out tonight. I guess that we'd better win every game going forward, because everyone else is splitting 3 pointers everywhere. How I hate loser points!

If Colorado is dumb enough I'm game.
- burn

And are you game to pay O'Reilly $5M per year?

And are you game to pay O'Reilly $5M per year?
- As_I_See_It

How about $8 million for two years? I bet he'd bite, if we made that deal to get him.

Bozak + Blacker >>>>> O'Reilly.

And are you game to pay O'Reilly $5M per year?
- As_I_See_It

I would be, if he works out its all good. We will have Lots of room this summer and can buy out or get rid of Komi. Id say get him if we can, but its gonna cost Mac A and Biggs.

I would be, if he works out its all good. We will have Lots of room this summer and can buy out or get rid of Komi. Id say get him if we can, but its gonna cost Mac A and Biggs.
- Jimmy_wiener

To become a contender, you have to find ways to acquire first rate talent. You sometimes need to take a calculated risk. This guy reminds me of Gilmour, before he made it big. His talent could explode, if put in the right situation. He's not soft, forchecks hard and has some net presence. At 21 years of age, we should be all over this, if we really want to get ahead. Since he's a center, we need to move one. Bozak has a history of playing his college hockey in Colorado. He's also been putting up points and is dynamite on the draws. Add someone like Jesse Blacker and this is a doable deal. Blacker may someday make the Leafs, but when you look at the cupboard, in regards to defensemen, we have better prospects. They need to be proactive, on this one.

I like it, but we are already working on a Trade with LAK... MacA and Liles for Bernier and Penner.
- Jimmy_wiener

No

And are you game to pay O'Reilly $5M per year?
- As_I_See_It

Sure.

No
- burn

Ok.Ok. Komi for Penner. We need him for the Playoff Run.

So Gardiner is apparently ready to return. Who comes out?

So Gardiner is apparently ready to return. Who comes out?
- As_I_See_It

Reimer

So Gardiner is apparently ready to return. Who comes out?
- As_I_See_It

Liles

Reimer
- systemtool

ya or Reimer

Sure.
- burn

fug that

So Gardiner is apparently ready to return. Who comes out?
- As_I_See_It

At the minute, nobody. The team is on a 4 game streak, don't make changes until you have to. Eventually I see a rotation where two of Kostka, Fraser and Holzer play while one sits.

One could argue that Liles would be the most similar player to Gardiner, and the one who he would replace, however that only happens if we find a trade partner

As a leaf fan for the last thirty years, it never ceases to amaze me at the utter ignorance of sports fans in general. Many of you sit at your keyboards and complain about Burke. What you fail to understand was Burke was never brought to Toronto to do a slow rebuild. The powers that be at the time were more interested in a fast rebuild all the while maximizing profits. Scotty Bowman was interviewed for the GM job in Toronto at the time, and told the Maple Leafs board that they needed along rebuild, after years of throwing away long term success for short term gain. There farm system was nonexistent and there big team was no better off. Burke was brought in for a fast rebuild as to the boards wishes. After year of media and fans complaining about the Maple Leafs boards involvement in hockey operations, they needed a strong voice. One that could convince the fans and media that things were going to change all the while never taking there hands off the strings which is Maple Leafs hockey operations. Will this ever change? I wish that I could tell you it will, but unfortunately new ownership haven't convinced me that winning is more important than profits and TV ratings.

What the Maple Leafs needed was a slow rebuild but that never happened. Should Burke have been hired to begin with no, is he a good hockey person well he has a Stanley cup ring. His real talent has always been constructing a teams pieces, unfortunately at the time he arrived Toronto had no real pieces.
For all those people needing someone to blame, look no further than the fools at MLSE Board. So before I have to listen to another armchair GM throw him under the bus again. Do all of us a favor and just dolphin dive under one yourself. []

As a leaf fan for the last thirty years, it never ceases to amaze me at the utter ignorance of sports fans in general. Many of you sit at your keyboards and complain about Burke. What you fail to understand was Burke was never brought to Toronto to do a slow rebuild. The powers that be at the time were more interested in a fast rebuild all the while maximizing profits. Scotty Bowman was interviewed for the GM job in Toronto at the time, and told the Maple Leafs board that they needed along rebuild, after years of throwing away long term success for short term gain. There farm system was nonexistent and there big team was no better off. Burke was brought in for a fast rebuild as to the boards wishes. After year of media and fans complaining about the Maple Leafs boards involvement in hockey operations, they needed a strong voice. One that could convince the fans and media that things were going to change all the while never taking there hands off the strings which is Maple Leafs hockey operations. Will this ever change? I wish that I could tell you it will, but unfortunately new ownership haven't convinced me that winning is more important than profits and TV ratings.

What the Maple Leafs needed was a slow rebuild but that never happened. Should Burke have been hired to begin with no, is he a good hockey person well he has a Stanley cup ring. His real talent has always been constructing a teams pieces, unfortunately at the time he arrived Toronto had no real pieces.
For all those people needing someone to blame, look no further than the fools at MLSE Board. So before I have to listen to another armchair GM throw him under the bus again. Do all of us a favor and just dolphin dive under one yourself.
- BadWaffle[]

/rant

anyone familiar with game center live?

Not trolling, Simlpy questioning. Leafs look pretty good of late. Now Im not going to ask you thiink your a cup contender cuz that would make you sound like a nucks fan. But how do you feel your chances are of 1 making the playoffs and 2 making it past the first round.....?

Not trolling, Simlpy questioning. Leafs look pretty good of late. Now Im not going to ask you thiink your a cup contender cuz that would make you sound like a nucks fan. But how do you feel your chances are of 1 making the playoffs and 2 making it past the first round.....?
- vancity787

Come back in two months and ask.

haha. wow. blind love for phaneuf, that's a rare thing.

underrated?!?

he's consistently out of position, so bad so that the endless search to find him a partner that can compensate for his defensive shortcomings is still happening after 3 years. his 'rocket' of a shot, might come close to hitting the net 1 out of 10 times, and is resposible for breaking one of our better players arms, almost killing kadri, and a ref or two.

he's a terrible fighter. he picks his fights, and ducks enough of them to the point it's embarrassing. his flat footed ness makes him a prone target for any type of forward with anything close to what resembles speed. his wild rushes consistently cost the team on the scoresheet. he's a minus on a team that mark (frank)ing fraser is a +10. his leadership is embarrassing.

i've long said the only thing he does well is hit people, and through 13 games i haven't even seen him use that.

i can play 25-30 really piss poor minutes a night to, if that makes me one of the best players in the game, i'll roll with it.

you are drunk dude, drunk.
- joel878

This is one of the worst analisys of a player I have seen. Its almost as if the only hockey you watch his Toronto and that you focus on Dion, see what you want and call it a fact. Then have the gull to act condescending and suggest I am drunk?

Just a few points to consider:
1. There is no logic in blamimng a player for a freak injury.
2. The myth that Dion never hits the net has an appaling lack of mathematical basis.
3. If you don't understand why the player who plays the most is a minus while the teams sixth defensemen is a plus, and how this is not at all reflective of anything, then I really don't think you have the right to offer your opinion, let alone act condescending when you do.
4. You, as I, are in no position to judge his leadership, nor is anyone not on the actual team. And as an aside, you might notice that in 2012 most intelligent people consider the focus that hockey fans put on "leadership" to be laughable.
5. All defensemen look "flat footed" when skating backwards against forwards skating the right direction, with momentum and acceleration on their side. It is called physics. Its a pretty interesting topic, actually.
6. You really ought look up "confirmation bias".

Anyways, you are never going to change your mind, but if youre honest, you don't know what you are talking about and most of what you consider to be true about nearly all hockey players comes from what you hear other people repeat and to be honest, you are not alone, that is why the narrative surrounding sports is ridiculously dumb.

As a leaf fan for the last thirty years, it never ceases to amaze me at the utter ignorance of sports fans in general. Many of you sit at your keyboards and complain about Burke. What you fail to understand was Burke was never brought to Toronto to do a slow rebuild. The powers that be at the time were more interested in a fast rebuild all the while maximizing profits. Scotty Bowman was interviewed for the GM job in Toronto at the time, and told the Maple Leafs board that they needed along rebuild, after years of throwing away long term success for short term gain. There farm system was nonexistent and there big team was no better off. Burke was brought in for a fast rebuild as to the boards wishes. After year of media and fans complaining about the Maple Leafs boards involvement in hockey operations, they needed a strong voice. One that could convince the fans and media that things were going to change all the while never taking there hands off the strings which is Maple Leafs hockey operations. Will this ever change? I wish that I could tell you it will, but unfortunately new ownership haven't convinced me that winning is more important than profits and TV ratings.

What the Maple Leafs needed was a slow rebuild but that never happened. Should Burke have been hired to begin with no, is he a good hockey person well he has a Stanley cup ring. His real talent has always been constructing a teams pieces, unfortunately at the time he arrived Toronto had no real pieces.
For all those people needing someone to blame, look no further than the fools at MLSE Board. So before I have to listen to another armchair GM throw him under the bus again. Do all of us a favor and just dolphin dive under one yourself.
- BadWaffle[]

IMO Dudley was the GM we needed and Eakins is the poor soul who deserved a bump. See how much shorter mine is?

As a leaf fan for the last thirty years, it never ceases to amaze me at the utter ignorance of sports fans in general. Many of you sit at your keyboards and complain about Burke. What you fail to understand was Burke was never brought to Toronto to do a slow rebuild. The powers that be at the time were more interested in a fast rebuild all the while maximizing profits. Scotty Bowman was interviewed for the GM job in Toronto at the time, and told the Maple Leafs board that they needed along rebuild, after years of throwing away long term success for short term gain. There farm system was nonexistent and there big team was no better off. Burke was brought in for a fast rebuild as to the boards wishes. After year of media and fans complaining about the Maple Leafs boards involvement in hockey operations, they needed a strong voice. One that could convince the fans and media that things were going to change all the while never taking there hands off the strings which is Maple Leafs hockey operations. Will this ever change? I wish that I could tell you it will, but unfortunately new ownership haven't convinced me that winning is more important than profits and TV ratings.

What the Maple Leafs needed was a slow rebuild but that never happened. Should Burke have been hired to begin with no, is he a good hockey person well he has a Stanley cup ring. His real talent has always been constructing a teams pieces, unfortunately at the time he arrived Toronto had no real pieces.
For all those people needing someone to blame, look no further than the fools at MLSE Board. So before I have to listen to another armchair GM throw him under the bus again. Do all of us a favor and just dolphin dive under one yourself.
- BadWaffle[]

Who's complaining?

Getting all your trolling in before tonight's loss?
- Leeman4Gilmour

Yikes they almost blew it. That's a great team right there.

Not trolling, Simlpy questioning. Leafs look pretty good of late. Now Im not going to ask you thiink your a cup contender cuz that would make you sound like a nucks fan. But how do you feel your chances are of 1 making the playoffs and 2 making it past the first round.....?
- vancity787

(1) Very possible, but a feeling mixed with caution as this team has had strong starts before

(2) Possible but not likely, depends on the opponent. If its someone like the Bruins, forget it.

fug that
- Arctic_AARDVARK

You're right, 21 year old centers who play wonderfully defensively while putting up 55 pts to lead their team (while playing in a shutdown role) aren't worth 5mil....

The Leafs don't need talent like that.