While a top 5 is never a bad thing, winning is sooooooooooo much sweeter.
If the Leafs continue to play well & make the playoffs, would any Leaf fan have the guts to say they would rather have had a top 5 pick over succesfully making the playoffs?
- GCHonda

As soon as they get eliminated we'll hear "well how do you like that now"

Waste of natural gifts.

Yeah, who cares if big players don't use their size advantage.

Tell Cody Franson he doesn't have to hit anybody either while we're at it.
- Two_For_Truth

If they are producing who cares??


Vanek is 1" shorter and 8lbs heavier and plays even smaller than JVR. But his production isn't any good.

No, he isn't. Why? Because I can name 30 better centers. But we all know that.

Now do the same for Phaneuf.
- Leeman4Gilmour

And your justification that Phaneuf is a #1 defender is that as long as he's good enough to be #1 on the 30th placed team, he's great and a legit #1 guy. Right.

Karlsson, Chara, Edler, Pietrangelo, Weber, Boyle, Suter, Letang, Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Yandle just to name a few are all better than Phaneuf in at least one capacity, if not both offensively and defensively.

And your justification that Phaneuf is a #1 defender is that as long as he's good enough to be #1 on the 30th placed team, he's great and a legit #1 guy. Right.

Karlsson, Chara, Edler, Pietrangelo, Weber, Boyle, Suter, Letang, Keith, Seabrook, Doughty, Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Yandle just to name a few are all better than Phaneuf in at least one capacity, if not both offensively and defensively.
- Two_For_Truth

So, 15 guys in the NHL better than Phaneuf (if we accept your questionable list as 100% accurate) and he's an average/mediocre #3?



Run along now and go make sure your mint condition Jiri Tlusty rookie card is still safe in its climate controlled case.

So let me get this straight...

The IOC wants to get rid of wrestling, and in its place... wakeboarding.

WTF.

As soon as they get eliminated we'll hear "well how do you like that now"
- weirdoh

Ya those incorrigible members of Leaf Nation, can only shake your head

Your act is old. Its obvious you hate the Leafs. Just find a new team and be done with it. We are all tired of your act. Its childish. You whine and female dog all day, provoke people and try to act all smart and high and mighty. You cite stats all day that support your points (which put a negative spin on EVERYTHING & are always out of context of the original discussion) & when people find stats or evidence to support or backup their claims (which often oppose yours), you say something to the tune of 'this is an exception, not the norm'. You are here to argue for the sake of arguing

Its an old act and we all see right through it. Have a good day.
- twiztedmike

maybe he does believe the opposite of anybody else at any given time, or all times

Sounds like the Leafs vs Habs on Saturday night!

LOOL!
- weirdoh

You might be able to wear this out all year long lol!

maybe he does believe the opposite of anybody else at any given time, or all times
- bobbyisno1

U_G holds every opinion at all times. He's flopped before he flipped and flopped back again.

If they are producing who cares??

Vanek is 1" shorter and 8lbs heavier and plays even smaller than JVR. But his production isn't any good.
- burn

And when he isn't producing? Then it's just fine if he doesn't hit guys? Then he should start? Only when he doesn't produce? It's impossible to produce and be more physical?

A big player who doesn't hit is like a player who can shoot the puck 100 mph but doesn't do it because he prefers snap shots. Waste of talent.

While a top 5 is never a bad thing, winning is sooooooooooo much sweeter.
If the Leafs continue to play well & make the playoffs, would any Leaf fan have the guts to say they would rather have had a top 5 pick over succesfully making the playoffs?
- GCHonda

one, but is he a Leaf fan

So let me get this straight...

The IOC wants to get rid of wrestling, and in its place... wakeboarding.

WTF.
- Aetherial

I never watched Wrestling, can't say I'd miss it. Just my opinion though.

So let me get this straight...

The IOC wants to get rid of wrestling, and in its place... wakeboarding.

WTF.
- Aetherial

Wrestling has been a part of the Olympics since ancient times. They really are stupid for taking it out.

You might be able to wear this out all year long lol!
- ShootingSemin

Nope. Classic Schenn has already taken charge.

Just read Whitney's comments on TSN: "I mean, why would they pay me all this to just not play?"

Dear Ryan Whitney,

STFU.

Sincerely,

The World

So let me get this straight...

The IOC wants to get rid of wrestling, and in its place... wakeboarding.

WTF.
- Aetherial

Apparently the wrestling organizations dont offer up the money that wakeboarding does, the olympics is retarded, and getting worse, so a couple of bull dykes in a pool swimming in unison is a sport, but not wrestling...

And when he isn't producing? Then it's just fine if he doesn't hit guys? Then he should start? Only when he doesn't produce? It's impossible to produce and be more physical?

A big player who doesn't hit is like a player who can shoot the puck 100 mph but doesn't do it because he prefers snap shots. Waste of talent.
- Two_For_Truth

so hitting is a talent?

Just read Whitney's comments on TSN: "I mean, why would they pay me all this to just not play?"

Dear Ryan Whitney,

STFU.

Sincerely,

The World
- Leeman4Gilmour

Tyler Myers says hi.

Just read Whitney's comments on TSN: "I mean, why would they pay me all this to just not play?"

Dear Ryan Whitney,

STFU.

Sincerely,

The World
- Leeman4Gilmour

Seriously though, who the (frank) wants to be in Edmonton, a place so bad, even Stee-Dot left...

And when he isn't producing? Then it's just fine if he doesn't hit guys? Then he should start? Only when he doesn't produce? It's impossible to produce and be more physical?

A big player who doesn't hit is like a player who can shoot the puck 100 mph but doesn't do it because he prefers snap shots. Waste of talent.
- Two_For_Truth

Please, tell us more about how players with 1000x more talent than yourself should play pro hockey.

So, 15 guys in the NHL better than Phaneuf (if we accept your questionable list as 100% accurate) and he's an average/mediocre #3?
- Leeman4Gilmour

That's just off the top of my head. There are plenty of others who can either put up better numbers or play better defense.

What you're trying to prove here is that even if Phaneuf is the 30th best defender in the league, then therefore he's good enough to be a #1 defender for the Leafs. Sorry, but that doesn't make any damn sense. If the point is for the Leafs to be able to win something meaningful, like a Cup, Phaneuf has to be the type of #1 defender that can be compared to the best in the league. You can drum up his days in Calgary all you want but the fact is those days are gone. He's not a Norris candidate anymore and he hasn't been for years. The reason for that is because his offensive game is a fraction of what it use to be and his defensive game is usually a mess.

This is the same as saying David Legwand is a legit #1 center because he was 27th in scoring among centers last year. Oh well, he's in the top 30, he must be good enough to be a legit #1 center!

Seriously though, who the (frank) wants to be in Edmonton, a place so bad, even Stee-Dot left...
- ShootingSemin

It's actually gottin better since he left.....Go figure....

I never watched Wrestling, can't say I'd miss it. Just my opinion though.
- Leafland

I am sure that this horse trains like a mother(frank)er, but if you want to impress me, remove the horse and lets see that little midget on his back make the jump...

It's actually gottin better since he left.....Go figure....
- Fruitcakenipple

No one ever doubted this...

Tyler Myers says hi.
- robin_steele264

I do wonder what happens if the Oilers lose tonight. Do you slot them back in? Is that a tail-between-the-legs type of move?