bah, seriously, go look up defenceman on wilkepedia. No time for you right now.
- mykokes

Fight!

bah, seriously, go look up defenceman on wilkepedia. No time for you right now.
- mykokes

Whats your rush?

Hamrlik was there for only for two years so he wasn't there for the whole time.

Phaneuf might be a #2 guy at his absolute best but he's still not smart enough to cover up for the mistakes of his partner because that's usually what the #2 guy has to be able to do. On average, Phaneuf would be the #3 guy and need somebody as the #4 guy who can cover for him when he decides to shut his brain off.
- Two_For_Truth

I have to disagree, I don't know many #3 guys that avg over 40 points a season and have hit 60 points from the back end with 200 hits? At least we agree he's miscast as the #1.

Hamrlik was there for only for two years so he wasn't there for the whole time.

Phaneuf might be a #2 guy at his absolute best but he's still not smart enough to cover up for the mistakes of his partner because that's usually what the #2 guy has to be able to do. On average, Phaneuf would be the #3 guy and need somebody as the #4 guy who can cover for him when he decides to shut his brain off.
- Two_For_Truth

It's hilarious how you progressively talked him down to nearly a #4 as you wrote this. Just call him a bottom pairing guy like you want to.

Just for reference, though, how good is Gunnarsson? How good is Schenn?

Because I seem to recall you said Gunnar < Schenn < Phaneuf. And you called Gunnar a decent 3-4... Something's not adding up here.

Are you an expert?


- robin_steele264

I'm sorry but either Andy Sutton is stupid or he's rainman

Fight!
- Leafland

Isn't it funny that he didn't make it and Weber did and next year, the same thing will happen?
- Two_For_Truth

Are you sure? A lot can happen from now till then.

I'm sorry but either Andy Sutton is stupid or he's rainman
- tmlfan69

He likes to hear expert opinions.

I'm sorry but either Andy Sutton is stupid or he's rainman
- tmlfan69

That was a clown question bros

I have to disagree, I don't know many #3 guys that avg over 40 points a season and have hit 60 points from the back end with 200 hits? At least we agree he's miscast as the #1.
- mykokes

Take a #3 guy with offensive abilities and force feed him #1 ice time and PP time and naturally his point totals will go up. Phaneuf hit 60 points once and it was most likely due to the fact that at that time, the powerplays per game were off the charts. Explains McCabe's offensive spike too. Still doesn't make them good defenders. Just means they had offensive talent and were placed in an offensively opportunistic situation.

If you are looking for a guy to compare Phaneuf to, compare him to Mike Green, not Shea Weber.

Whats your rush?
- robin_steele264

Mom needs the computer

Isn't it funny that he didn't make it and Weber did and next year, the same thing will happen?
- Two_For_Truth

Why are you female doging about Phaneuf being a #1/#2 blue liner? I understand the Captain scenario, but that's a different story. Phaneuf would be at least (VERY LEAST) a #2 guy on 25 of 30 teams in the NHL.

Honestly one could make a case for 30 of 30, but I wouldn't go there. I mean you have your opinion, and hold on to your beliefs dearly - I can respect that.

He is a top line defenseman though.

Isn't it funny that he didn't make it and Weber did and next year, the same thing will happen?
- Two_For_Truth

(frank) that was funny

Take a #3 guy with offensive abilities and force feed him #1 ice time and PP time and naturally his point totals will go up. Phaneuf hit 60 points once and it was most likely due to the fact that at that time, the powerplays per game were off the charts. Explains McCabe's offensive spike too. Still doesn't make them good defenders. Just means they had offensive talent and were placed in an offensively opportunistic situation.

If you are looking for a guy to compare Phaneuf to, compare him to Mike Green, not Shea Weber.
- Two_For_Truth

If Phaneuf isn't a #2, name the 60 defenders better than him.

Hell, just start with 30 to prove he isn't a #1.

Go.

If Phaneuf isn't a #2, name the 60 defenders better than him.

Hell, just start with 30 to prove he isn't a #1.

Go.
- Leeman4Gilmour

jonas frogen

If Phaneuf isn't a #2, name the 60 defenders better than him.

Hell, just start with 30 to prove he isn't a #1.

Go.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Theres already a list in the Oilers thread you can reference.

Whats your rush?
- robin_steele264

You're done reading up on d-men already? Good, hopefully you understood it. Now more homework, go look up Scott Niedermayer (category 1) or the guys that typically run the play and carry the puck up the ice (quarterback the play for short) and Scott Stevens (category 2), guys with the big shot and support and benefit from the guy carrying the puck. Guys like Erik Karlsson today, and Ryan Suter fit into category 1. Guys like Weber and Phaneuf fall into category 2. And for those not old enough to remember, for his first 10 years in the league, Scott Stevens had a bomb from the point, could hit like a truck and was the furthest thing from a stay at home d-man there was. He was literally Shea Weber. There is a third category, the stay at home, that the latter day Scott Stevens and Adam Foote were a part of.

That was a clown question bros
- poohcrumbs

It's hilarious how you progressively talked him down to nearly a #4 as you wrote this.
- Leeman4Gilmour

It's hilarious that you can't read what is right in front of you.

Just call him a bottom pairing guy like you want to.

Keep writing fiction.

Just for reference, though, how good is Gunnarsson? How good is Schenn?

Gunnarsson is a good option to play with Phaneuf so he can clean up his multitude of mistakes. Gunnarsson is a good 2nd pairing guy and given his offensive limitations, he's #4. If Schenn had a coach who developed him properly and worked on his skating, his shutdown abilities make him at worst a #4 guy, who would have complimented Phaneuf nicely if Phaneuf would play on the left side where he belongs.

Are you sure? A lot can happen from now till then.
- mykokes

It's one year away. And yes, Shea Weber will be there if healthy and Phaneuf won't be, whether he's healthy or not.

You're done reading up on d-men already? Good, hopefully you understood it. Now more homework, go look up Scott Niedermayer (category 1) or the guys that typically run the play and carry the puck up the ice and Scott Stevens (category 2), guys with the big shot and support and benefit from the guy carrying the puck. Guys like Erik Karlsson today, and Ryan Suter fit into category 1. Guys like Weber and Phaneuf fall into category 2. And for those not old enough to remember, for his first 10 years in the league, Scott Stevens had a bomb from the point, could hit like a truck and was the furthest thing from a stay at home d-man there was. He was literally Shea Weber. There is a third category, the stay at home, that the latter day Scott Stevens and Adam Foote were a part of.
- mykokes

It's hilarious that you can't read what is right in front of you.



Keep writing fiction.



Gunnarsson is a good option to play with Phaneuf so he can clean up his multitude of mistakes. Gunnarsson is a good 2nd pairing guy and given his offensive limitations, he's #4. If Schenn had a coach who developed him properly and worked on his skating, his shutdown abilities make him at worst a #4 guy, who would have complimented Phaneuf nicely if Phaneuf would play on the left side where he belongs.
- Two_For_Truth

But, wait.

You insisted we lost the Schenn trade.

You're getting cut up over trading a #4 d-man for a top line winger?

Take a #3 guy with offensive abilities and force feed him #1 ice time and PP time and naturally his point totals will go up. Phaneuf hit 60 points once and it was most likely due to the fact that at that time, the powerplays per game were off the charts. Explains McCabe's offensive spike too. Still doesn't make them good defenders. Just means they had offensive talent and were placed in an offensively opportunistic situation.

If you are looking for a guy to compare Phaneuf to, compare him to Mike Green, not Shea Weber.
- Two_For_Truth

And yet he was on the olympic team.

It's one year away. And yes, Shea Weber will be there if healthy and Phaneuf won't be, whether he's healthy or not.
- Two_For_Truth

Still waiting for those 60 names.

Take a #3 guy with offensive abilities and force feed him #1 ice time and PP time and naturally his point totals will go up. Phaneuf hit 60 points once and it was most likely due to the fact that at that time, the powerplays per game were off the charts. Explains McCabe's offensive spike too. Still doesn't make them good defenders. Just means they had offensive talent and were placed in an offensively opportunistic situation.

If you are looking for a guy to compare Phaneuf to, compare him to Mike Green, not Shea Weber.
- Two_For_Truth

You're talking about an average of 5.5-6.6 points difference in points per season over 5+ years in favor of Weber.

Weber averages about 100 more hits a season. He has also been playing with a top 20 defensive partner most of his career.

Weber is better - but that doesn't make phaneuf 61st in the leauge out of blueliners.