I think everyone can agree that we fleeced Calgary on that trade.
- Holy_Makinaw99

Only if you believe that Phaneuf is a good player.

First of all, no you can't. Second of all, based on your trade proposal, you need to shut up and let the big kids talk, son.
- Aquaman_2400

Back to the Leaf thread for you where your delusion's can continue. You are so far off its unbelievable.

Phil Kessel, playing with Lupul gets sixth in the league in scoring.

Eberle, with a shooting percentage that is not maintainable, and playhing with Hall, Hopkins, and with Hemsky, Gagner taking some of the heat off, still manages less points.


Seriously, if you think Anyone on Edmonton is, at this point in their career, any where close to the skill level and utter dominance of Phil Kessel then I have to ask, why do you even comment on hockey? If you won't admit facts then your opinions mean nothing.
- Aquaman_2400

You want facts !!

A.Hemsky - 439pts in 579 games (0.758 ppg)

P.Kessel - 338pts in 469 games (0.720 ppg)

S.Gagner - 233pts in 378 games (0.626 ppg)

Half sack falls somewhere between A.Hemsky and S.Gagner.

I know Edmonton fans like to talk about the pieces they would move to improve their team. Some trades make sense others dont, but what i think it really comes down to is the organization firing Steve Tambellini.

Edmonton was uncompetitive for 3 years in a row and didnt obtain any help through trades or FA during that period. This resulted in 3 first overall draft picks where Edmonton took the best player each year. But what about the 31st overall picks?

Tyler Pitlick (C) 2010
David Musil (D) 2011
Mitch Moroz (LW) 2012

These are all pretty high draft picks, and none seem like they will turn out. More importantly though, why arent all these picks Defense? How can a GM use all of their best picks on forwards and completely ignore defense? Perhaps the GM that created a team that finished dead last for 3 seasons shouldnt be the one to continue running it with 3 first overall picks on the roster.

I know Edmonton fans like to talk about the pieces they would move to improve their team. Some trades make sense others dont, but what i think it really comes down to is the organization firing Steve Tambellini.

Edmonton was uncompetitive for 3 years in a row and didnt obtain any help through trades or FA during that period. This resulted in 3 first overall draft picks where Edmonton took the best player each year. But what about the 31st overall picks?

Tyler Pitlick (C) 2010
David Musil (D) 2011
Mitch Moroz (LW) 2012

These are all pretty high draft picks, and none seem like they will turn out. More importantly though, why arent all these picks Defense? How can a GM use all of their best picks on forwards and completely ignore defense? Perhaps the GM that created a team that finished dead last for 3 seasons shouldnt be the one to continue running it with 3 first overall picks on the roster.
- Holy_Makinaw99

One of them is a d-men, they also drafted Klefbom 19th overall who is a d-man.

Guess you really are that dumb.

I know Edmonton fans like to talk about the pieces they would move to improve their team. Some trades make sense others dont, but what i think it really comes down to is the organization firing Steve Tambellini.

Edmonton was uncompetitive for 3 years in a row and didnt obtain any help through trades or FA during that period. This resulted in 3 first overall draft picks where Edmonton took the best player each year. But what about the 31st overall picks?

Tyler Pitlick (C) 2010
David Musil (D) 2011
Mitch Moroz (LW) 2012

These are all pretty high draft picks, and none seem like they will turn out. More importantly though, why arent all these picks Defense? How can a GM use all of their best picks on forwards and completely ignore defense? Perhaps the GM that created a team that finished dead last for 3 seasons shouldnt be the one to continue running it with 3 first overall picks on the roster.
- Holy_Makinaw99

This post shows how little you know about the Oilers prospects.

You want facts !!

A.Hemsky - 439pts in 579 games (0.758 ppg)

P.Kessel - 338pts in 469 games (0.720 ppg)

S.Gagner - 233pts in 378 games (0.626 ppg)

Half sack falls somewhere between A.Hemsky and S.Gagner.
- Reveen

Because of injuries, Hemsky averages 49 points per season, Kessel 56. Way more goals. It's not even close, there is no GM that would take Hemsky over Kessel.

I know Edmonton fans like to talk about the pieces they would move to improve their team. Some trades make sense others dont, but what i think it really comes down to is the organization firing Steve Tambellini.

Edmonton was uncompetitive for 3 years in a row and didnt obtain any help through trades or FA during that period. This resulted in 3 first overall draft picks where Edmonton took the best player each year. But what about the 31st overall picks?

Tyler Pitlick (C) 2010
David Musil (D) 2011
Mitch Moroz (LW) 2012

These are all pretty high draft picks, and none seem like they will turn out. More importantly though, why arent all these picks Defense? How can a GM use all of their best picks on forwards and completely ignore defense? Perhaps the GM that created a team that finished dead last for 3 seasons shouldnt be the one to continue running it with 3 first overall picks on the roster.
- Holy_Makinaw99

I really wish the Oilers had used the Moroz and Pitlick picks on defense so we didn't have to settle on that useless Justin Schultz.

Because of injuries, Hemsky averages 49 points per season, Kessel 56. Way more goals. It's not even close, there is no GM that would take Hemsky over Kessel.
- Dirte

I'm using your logic.... plus Hemsky has more testicular fortitude than Kessle.

The Leafs would have absolutely no interest in Ryan Whitney. Why would they downgrade from Phaneuf to Whitney for just a second? No way. They need a first line centre, not another DMan. They've got tonnes of Dmen. So, just as realistic as Whitney and a second for Phaneuf is Gunnarson and a second rounder for Nugent-Hopkins.

I'm using your logic.... plus Hemsky has more testicular fortitude than Kessle.
- Reveen

My logic? I'm not sure what you're referring to. The point is, if you're going to bet on who puts up more points this season, or any season going forward, the likely answer is Kessel.

I know Edmonton fans like to talk about the pieces they would move to improve their team. Some trades make sense others dont, but what i think it really comes down to is the organization firing Steve Tambellini.

Edmonton was uncompetitive for 3 years in a row and didnt obtain any help through trades or FA during that period. This resulted in 3 first overall draft picks where Edmonton took the best player each year. But what about the 31st overall picks?

Tyler Pitlick (C) 2010
David Musil (D) 2011
Mitch Moroz (LW) 2012

These are all pretty high draft picks, and none seem like they will turn out. More importantly though, why arent all these picks Defense? How can a GM use all of their best picks on forwards and completely ignore defense? Perhaps the GM that created a team that finished dead last for 3 seasons shouldnt be the one to continue running it with 3 first overall picks on the roster.
- Holy_Makinaw99

A few comments:

1. Steve Tambellini might be the GM, but he doesn't have final say on anything. The Oilers rule by committee. If you hate the way they're run, it's Kevin Lowe and not Tambellini that needs to go.

2. Finishing near the bottom was intention because the team needed to add elite young talent. I'd rather the Oilers do an actual rebuild than have what's happening in Calgary...the slow, painful, awful death of a team. The Oilers have a plan and are thinking ahead.

3. Tyler Pitlick and David Musil were solid picks at the time. They were roughly ranked where the Oilers took them. Pitlick has had a rough time since the draft, but Musil isn't a flashy player whom you necessarily notice while he develops. I think he's a better prospect than Teubert and Peckham, so there's a future for him here. Call him Ladislav Smid-lite.

4. The Oilers are absolutely stacked with defensive prospects. In way better shape there than up front. Klefbom, Simpson, Musil, Marincin, Gernat, Teubert, Davidson, Fedun...Klefbom will absolutely be an NHL-er; Gernat has the size and talent to become one; ditto Marincin; Simpson is the sleeper in this group.

I really wish the Oilers had used the Moroz and Pitlick picks on defense so we didn't have to settle on that useless Justin Schultz.
- Reveen

Tbh your team, with 3 first overall picks and the signing of Justin Schultz should be miles ahead of our crappy team and you are not. Honest thought here. Why don't you intentionally throw one more shortened year and try your hardest to get Seth Jones. Surely if you even landed the 5th pick, you could flip that along with one of your 20 odd top prospects and get Jones. Then you will get a bit of help needed on D.

I don't understand why your GM is not under the gun. He hasn't done anything in years to improve the club. Just intentionally tanking to get the highest picks possible. Now you guys are stuck with a small skilled team, looking for toughness and D without wanting to part with anyone other than Omark.

P.S. I get the irony of a Leafs fans talking about intentionally tanking.

Tbh your team, with 3 first overall picks and the signing of Justin Schultz should be miles ahead of our crappy team and you are not. Honest thought here. Why don't you intentionally throw one more shortened year and try your hardest to get Seth Jones. Surely if you even landed the 5th pick, you could flip that along with one of your 20 odd top prospects and get Jones. Then you will get a bit of help needed on D.

I don't understand why your GM is not under the gun. He hasn't done anything in years to improve the club. Just intentionally tanking to get the highest picks possible. Now you guys are stuck with a small skilled team, looking for toughness and D without wanting to part with anyone other than Omark.

P.S. I get the irony of a Leafs fans talking about intentionally tanking.
- walshyleafsfan

You're totally right.... Plus Tambellini had nothing to do with flushing locker room cancers for draft picks and signing Justin Schultz.

Ok... in no particular order

1) E.Karlsson
2) P.K.Subban
3) A.Markov
4) T.Enstrom
5) N.Kronwall (what Phaneuf should be if he wasn't such a wussy)
6) A.Edler
7) K.Letang
8) O.E.Larsson
9) A.Pietrangelo
10)D.Byfuglien
11)M.Carle
12)K.Shattenkirk
13)D.Boyle
14)B.Campbell
15)R.Suter
16)S.Weber
17)M.Staal
18)K.Yandle
19)C.Erhoff
20)Z.Chara
21)D.Kieth
22)K.Seabrook
23)M.Green
24)D.Doughty
25)R.McDonough
26)M.DelZotto
27)K.Timmonen
28)F.Tyutin
29)T.Gilbert
30)L.Schenn
- Reveen

Please take Schenn off that list... Dion is not top 30 imo, but Schenn? Have you watched him play??

You want facts !!

A.Hemsky - 439pts in 579 games (0.758 ppg)

P.Kessel - 338pts in 469 games (0.720 ppg)

S.Gagner - 233pts in 378 games (0.626 ppg)

Half sack falls somewhere between A.Hemsky and S.Gagner.
- Reveen

Points aren't everything..

Also, Hemsky would be a far more valuable player if he stayed healthy. His contract and injury risk devalue him.

If he stayed healthy throughout his whole career, I could say that he is better offensively.

Back to the Leaf thread for you where your delusion's can continue. You are so far off its unbelievable.
- Iggysbff

Thanks for keeping Cloutier's thread delusion free

Your totally right.... Plus Tambellini had nothing to do with flushing locker room cancers for draft picks and signing Justin Schultz.
- Reveen

Hey i hear you, but surely after this amount of time, do you not think you should be in a better state than currently? How long are Oilers fans giving it to really contend? I honestly don't know. I just think it may be hard to add those Dmen without giving up anything of note.

Tbh your team, with 3 first overall picks and the signing of Justin Schultz should be miles ahead of our crappy team and you are not. Honest thought here. Why don't you intentionally throw one more shortened year and try your hardest to get Seth Jones. Surely if you even landed the 5th pick, you could flip that along with one of your 20 odd top prospects and get Jones. Then you will get a bit of help needed on D.

I don't understand why your GM is not under the gun. He hasn't done anything in years to improve the club. Just intentionally tanking to get the highest picks possible. Now you guys are stuck with a small skilled team, looking for toughness and D without wanting to part with anyone other than Omark.

P.S. I get the irony of a Leafs fans talking about intentionally tanking.
- walshyleafsfan

Oh what a 4 game win streak can do!

Tbh your team, with 3 first overall picks and the signing of Justin Schultz should be miles ahead of our crappy team and you are not. Honest thought here. Why don't you intentionally throw one more shortened year and try your hardest to get Seth Jones. Surely if you even landed the 5th pick, you could flip that along with one of your 20 odd top prospects and get Jones. Then you will get a bit of help needed on D.

I don't understand why your GM is not under the gun. He hasn't done anything in years to improve the club. Just intentionally tanking to get the highest picks possible. Now you guys are stuck with a small skilled team, looking for toughness and D without wanting to part with anyone other than Omark.

P.S. I get the irony of a Leafs fans talking about intentionally tanking.
- walshyleafsfan

I would think the countless previous years of surges and hope, followed by crushing disappointment would have taught Leafs fans a little humility. Guess some people never learn.
Please dont bring up Clouts either. If you havent figured out yet that he writes that crap hoping you gullible twits will flood him with hits, then I certainly cant have a serious discussion with you.

Ok have fun!

Points aren't everything..

Also, Hemsky would be a far more valuable player if he stayed healthy. His contract and injury risk devalue him.

If he stayed healthy throughout his whole career, I could say that he is better offensively.
- mfreedman

You guys were talking about trading Phaneuf and even Kessel a week ago. Gtfo.

Hey i hear you, but surely after this amount of time, do you not think you should be in a better state than currently? How long are Oilers fans giving it to really contend? I honestly don't know. I just think it may be hard to add those Dmen without giving up anything of note.
- walshyleafsfan

If they suck again this year I'll want everyone fired.

You guys were talking about trading Phaneuf and even Kessel a week ago. Gtfo.
- sanfordnson

Ahhh the 4 game win streak!!!

You guys were talking about trading Phaneuf and even Kessel a week ago. Gtfo.
- sanfordnson

In fairness, Oiler fans have been talking about trading Hemsky for years.

Please take Schenn off that list... Dion is not top 30 imo, but Schenn? Have you watched him play??
- mfreedman

Schenn and Gilbert was meant to be a joke.