Anyone who thinks a coaching change will be an immediate 180 is delusional at best.

The team is bad. They lack talent. They have one good line, a good goalie, barely one defenseman, and a coach that probably no longer has the energy or puts in the effort to pull this pile of poop into something presentable.

Even at its best, this team is a fringe playoff team.

I think lindy should be gone regardless, but its more than a coaching problem, and Pegulas whole cup dream will probably take longer then 3 years considering theres barely a handful of people on this team that could be on a cup winner.
- Putzfrau

The main reason I think a lot of people want a coaching change is because the culture of this team needs to change. Period.

kassian/MAG: hodgson +sulzer
Roy: Ott (to a lesser extent Pardy)
- FIREonICE

Ott for Roy was only good in some peoples eyes because roy was a "cancer" in the DR. We gave away scoring which we lacked for grit which we lacked.

And Kassian for CoHo/Sulzer was pretty equal in my eyes. Plus it didn't net a superstar. We gave away top potential pwf and got back top potential center and a 5/6th dman.

I'm talking about a big trade that brings in a guy thats already proven at the pro level.

You need at least two good scoring lines, or a ridiculously stout defense/goaltending. The Sabres have one. And the Sabres don't have the impact forwards like the Sedins are, not even Vanek, though he's close.
- buffalofan19

I'd set it up as one really good scoring line, which we have... Then a 2nd and 3rd line that can score as well as be defensively responsible
Set up my 4th line as my "checking unit"

We are a 20goal scorer away from having that now IMO
And a 4th line center that can win a freaking faceoff

Different teams have wine with different setups,
So it's prob about what best suits your talent & coaching style

Anyone who thinks a coaching change will be an immediate 180 is delusional at best.

The team is bad. They lack talent. They have one good line, a good goalie, barely one defenseman, and a coach that probably no longer has the energy or puts in the effort to pull this pile of poop into something presentable.

Even at its best, this team is a fringe playoff team.

I think lindy should be gone regardless, but its more than a coaching problem, and Pegulas whole cup dream will probably take longer then 3 years considering theres barely a handful of people on this team that could be on a cup winner.

Regardless I'm gonna keep watching games cause i love hockey and there's (frank) all i can do about it. And female doging on forums doesn't seem to help either /shrug who knew.
- Putzfrau

There have been coaching changes that have done wonders for worse groups of players. It may or may not be a 180, but it's par for the course with Lindy Ruff right now. A different message is needed. It may turn out to be that the different message needs to also fall on different ears, but that doesn't change the fact that the first part is needed.

The main reason I think a lot of people want a coaching change is because the culture of this team needs to change. Period.
- HonkFortheGoose

I absolutely agree, but look at recent cup winners.

They are all rich with talent, and have deep rosters. Buffalo has neither, at least right now.

Buffalo easily needs 2 or 3 (at the very least) more impact players before they are anything but a fringe playoff team

Ott for Roy was only good in some peoples eyes because roy was a "cancer" in the DR. We gave away scoring which we lacked for grit which we lacked.

And Kassian for CoHo/Sulzer was pretty equal in my eyes. Plus it didn't net a superstar. We gave away top potential pwf and got back top potential center and a 5/6th dman.

I'm talking about a big trade that brings in a guy thats already proven at the pro level.
- Smittyx36

stafford and our 1st or 2nd for Corey Perry.

you want big, you can't hate that trade. that doesn't mean anaheim would do it, but it's what you're looking for.

I'd set it up as one really good scoring line, which we have... Then a 2nd and 3rd line that can score as well as be defensively responsible
Set up my 4th line as my "checking unit"

We are a 20goal scorer away from having that now IMO
And a 4th line center that can win a freaking faceoff

Different teams have wine with different setups,
So it's prob about what best suits your talent & coaching style
- jdfitz77

Problem is are team defense is brutal and has been for the past couple years now...

Ott for Roy was only good in some peoples eyes because roy was a "cancer" in the DR. We gave away scoring which we lacked for grit which we lacked.

And Kassian for CoHo/Sulzer was pretty equal in my eyes. Plus it didn't net a superstar. We gave away top potential pwf and got back top potential center and a 5/6th dman.

I'm talking about a big trade that brings in a guy thats already proven at the pro level.
- Smittyx36

I think you're talking about a Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry type player.

stafford and our 1st or 2nd for Corey Perry.

you want big, you can't hate that trade. that doesn't mean anaheim would do it, but it's what you're looking for.
- FIREonICE

I'd really really dislike losing a first in this years draft

stafford and our 1st or 2nd for Corey Perry.

you want big, you can't hate that trade. that doesn't mean anaheim would do it, but it's what you're looking for.
- FIREonICE

No way that gets Perry, Anaheim supposedly want a 4-5 piece package for Perry.

stafford and our 1st or 2nd for Corey Perry.

you want big, you can't hate that trade. that doesn't mean anaheim would do it, but it's what you're looking for.
- FIREonICE

They would never do it unless they new he wouldnt be resigning there.

Gaustad got us a 1st rounder alone, so perry is gonna get a lot more.

There have been coaching changes that have done wonders for worse groups of players. It may or may not be a 180, but it's par for the course with Lindy Ruff right now. A different message is needed. It may turn out to be that the different message needs to also fall on different ears, but that doesn't change the fact that the first part is needed.
- buffalofan19

Absolutely, and I state pretty much just that in what I wrote. Ruff gone would be first on my too do list, but it wouldn't be the only thing.

I absolutely agree, but look at recent cup winners.

They are all rich with talent, and have deep rosters. Buffalo has neither, at least right now.

Buffalo easily needs 2 or 3 (at the very least) more impact players before they are anything but a fringe playoff team
- Putzfrau

This team does need some changes on the roster as well, but the biggest change will be when the person behind the bench is different.

I'd really really dislike losing a first in this years draft
- Putzfrau

Especially when Perry is an UFA after this season.

This team does need some changes on the roster as well, but the biggest change will be when the person behind the bench is different.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think Ruff is too comfortable in his position here. A new set of eyes could do wonders. What makes coaches do well is their ability to work with what they have. They won't win a cup with a subpar roster, but they can get much more out of them.

This team does need some changes on the roster as well, but the biggest change will be when the person behind the bench is different.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think a decent second line would do wonders as well, but I agree. Ruff would be first on my list of changes, and that's more because, like you said, the message just needs to change. Something just isn't clicking any more

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I think you're talking about a Bobby Ryan or Corey Perry type player.
- sabresfandan

Heck even a duchene or oreilly type player. Something that brings us a 1st/2nd line guy that is gonna come in and be a leader like Drury.

They would never do it unless they new he wouldnt be resigning there.

Gaustad got us a 1st rounder alone, so perry is gonna get a lot more.
- Smittyx36

right and maybe you need to take that chance, i would trade the 1st, 2nd, and stafford for that chance. that is, if you want to be bold, which is why i posted it, in response to that call.

No way that gets Perry, Anaheim suposedly want a 4-5 piece package for Perry.
- sabresfandan

okay, throw in gerbe, both picks, and adam, brennan, or some other prospect that isn't amazing, but not garbage. he's not going to get much more than kovie got, but they can try. hell, hossa got around what kovie got too.

I'd really really dislike losing a first in this years draft
- Putzfrau

me too, but if you want an impact player like perry, you have to give to get. this was the original thinking behind burke's kessel deal but he just took it a little too far for the player he got in return imo. perry is worth it.,

This team does need some changes on the roster as well, but the biggest change will be when the person behind the bench is different.
- HonkFortheGoose

That would be the easiest change. The biggest change would be making trades for a legit top line player or two

Heck even a duchene or oreilly type player. Something that brings us a 1st/2nd line guy that is gonna come in and be a leader like Drury.
- Smittyx36

Yeah I hear ya man we are starving for Darcy to make that so called signature move under Pegula.

Guys that are saying a good 2nd line would do wonders, We need to worry about team defense before we get to secondary scoring.

I have yet to watch a game this year and say wow this defense looks pretty good. Its actually been wow this defense is the worst i have ever seen as a sabres fan.

right and maybe you need to take that chance, i would trade the 1st, 2nd, and stafford for that chance. that is, if you want to be bold, which is why i posted it, in response to that call.




okay, throw in gerbe, both picks, and adam, brennan, or some other prospect that isn't amazing, but not garbage. he's not going to get much more than kovie got, but they can try. hell, hossa got around what kovie got too.




me too, but if you want an impact player like perry, you have to give to get. this was the original thinking behind burke's kessel deal but he just took it a little too far for the player he got in return imo. perry is worth it.,
- FIREonICE

I wouldn't move anything for perry unless theres a guarantee he'll resign. We won't win the cup this year or the next, so there's no point hemorrhaging top picks in a great draft for a year or two of perry.

That would be the easiest change. The biggest change would be making trades for a legit top line player or two
- GilPerreault11

We have changed players year in and year out. Year in and year out we do not have success. Still one thing remains constant. The guy behind the bench.

Problem with keeping the picks over trading them to get a top guy is that the draft pick might not even turn or might take several years before they become impact players.

If you think we are 1-2 players away from being a top team then you do the trade, if not you keep the picks and build for 2-3 years.