so luke adam is pretty much done with the sabres? the guy has size, speed, and a great wrist shot but he might not have the head for the game. what do you all think?
- joshs

????

I think he'd have a hard time beating Andreychuk in a race.

compare his size to crosby
- joshs

meaning?

meaning?
- Homer

It's the same. Both of them are 5'11". Crosby has about 25lbs on him in weight.

????

I think he'd have a hard time beating Andreychuk in a race.
- dadeadhead

Post of the night!!!!!!!!!!

So, what you're saying is you're settling for the 12th pick in the draft who was passed over by 11 other teams and a center who will max out as a 2nd line center? We've had plenty of 2nd line centers and players drafted 11-13 in the draft (Stafford, Marek Zagrapan) Got it.
- GilPerreault11

grigorenko was considered a top 5 but he had a poor tournament and his stock fell. also with the looming lockout coming and him being a russian he was a gamble, sorta.

grigorenko was considered a top 5 but he had a poor tournament and his stock fell. also with the looming lockout coming and him being a russian he was a gamble, sorta.
- joshs

He was kissing the wrong girls too.

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I think he'd have a hard time beating Andreychuk in a race.
- dadeadhead

sorry yeah my memory was not soo good from a year ago.

It's the same. Both of them are 5'11". Crosby has about 25lbs on him in weight.
- HonkFortheGoose

if he is great and cant miss then take him no matter how big he is...IDK that he is or isnt though.

So because they weren't drafted in the top 5, they're no good.

I guess Giroux, Kesler, and Getzlaf are all bums as well.

EDIT: I forgot about Datsyuk and Zetterberg as well.
- HonkFortheGoose

They weren't drafted by Darcy Regier though, and you take franchise centers when you can get them, especially when you have had Roy and Connolly "leading" the way for too many losing years.

And Homer, he is 5'11 and 180 pds but is rugged and will get bigger. My opinion is if the Sabres tank and get the 1st pick I'd take MacKinnon others wouldn't, that's ok.

if he is great and cant miss then take him no matter how big he is...IDK that he is or isnt though.
- Homer

If he was like Crosby as far as the can't miss thing, he wouldn't have fallen in the rankings. Jones is #1 right now.

They weren't drafted by Darcy Regier though, and you take franchise centers when you can get them, especially when you have had Roy and Connolly "leading" the way for too many losing years.

And Homer, he is 5'11 and 180 pds but is rugged and will get bigger. My opinion is if the Sabres tank and get the 1st pick I'd take MacKinnon others wouldn't, that's ok.
- GilPerreault11

Oh, so just because Regier drafted him means he'll be no good. That makes sense.

That means Cody should be just fine then.

So you're saying you're giving up on Grigorenko already, and Hodgson isn't good enough either.

Got it.
- HonkFortheGoose

Goose, you're very feisty tonight
I get what he's saying about a franchise center, there's certainly an argument to be made there
I happen to like our centers though
I think Hodgson, Ennis & Grigorenko can all be ppg players and will at least be of "#2" quality
Girgensons should at least turn into a "gaustad-like" player, with the potential to be a much better goal scorer
We also have Catenacci who is a feistier version of Ennis,
And Kea and Jacobs are bigger 3rd/4th line types

Darcy has done a great job transitioning from having no youthful talent at center, to a pretty deep stable at the position

They weren't drafted by Darcy Regier though, and you take franchise centers when you can get them, especially when you have had Roy and Connolly "leading" the way for too many losing years.

And Homer, he is 5'11 and 180 pds but is rugged and will get bigger. My opinion is if the Sabres tank and get the 1st pick I'd take MacKinnon others wouldn't, that's ok.
- GilPerreault11

Im not saying I would or wouldnt....not educated enough on him.

Goose, you're very feisty tonight
I get what he's saying about a franchise center, there's certainly an argument to be made there
I happen to like our centers though
I think Hodgson, Ennis & Grigorenko can all be ppg players and will at least be of "#2" quality
Girgensons should at least turn into a "gaustad-like" player, with the potential to be a much better goal scorer
We also have Catenacci who is a feistier version of Ennis,
And Kea and Jacobs are bigger 3rd/4th line types

Darcy has done a great job transitioning from having no youthful talent at center, to a pretty deep stable at the position
- jdfitz77

Catenacci will be a winger IMO.

You're right. I do know that.

However, you're the one that just said that it doesn't matter when most of the team is in the minus column. Well, I hate to break it to you, but we currently have 10 players that are minus, and 5 that are plus. The rest are all at 0. That's pretty much the definition of a crappy team.
- HonkFortheGoose

I didn't mean it as a blanket statement
I was just trying to say that there are good players on bad teams that have less than desirable +/- numbers
Get what I'm saying?

more importantly should I watch The Following now and make Homie happy or watch The League and do a lot of LOL'ing as the kids say. Decisions, Decisions.

Oh, so just because Regier drafted him means he'll be no good. That makes sense.

That means Cody should be just fine then.
- HonkFortheGoose

That was a little tongue in cheek but besides Vanek, taken 5th in the draft, what other even pseudo franchise player has Darcy drafted? Miller I guess but give me a forward or dman?

I didn't mean it as a blanket statement
I was just trying to say that there are good players on bad teams that have less than desirable +/- numbers
Get what I'm saying?
- jdfitz77

+/- is a garbage stat IMO.

Catenacci will be a winger IMO.
- dadeadhead

he wont be anything if he doesnt stop taking penalties....sabres.com said he has taken 49 minors already this year......49!

They weren't drafted by Darcy Regier though, and you take franchise centers when you can get them, especially when you have had Roy and Connolly "leading" the way for too many losing years.

And Homer, he is 5'11 and 180 pds but is rugged and will get bigger. My opinion is if the Sabres tank and get the 1st pick I'd take MacKinnon others wouldn't, that's ok.
- GilPerreault11

to be fair, connolly was pretty decent for a while but after he got hurt in the playoffs, he was never the same. they were hoping he would come back to form and didn't fix the problem fast enough.

Goose, you're very feisty tonight
I get what he's saying about a franchise center, there's certainly an argument to be made there
I happen to like our centers though
I think Hodgson, Ennis & Grigorenko can all be ppg players and will at least be of "#2" quality
Girgensons should at least turn into a "gaustad-like" player, with the potential to be a much better goal scorer
We also have Catenacci who is a feistier version of Ennis,
And Kea and Jacobs are bigger 3rd/4th line types

Darcy has done a great job transitioning from having no youthful talent at center, to a pretty deep stable at the position
- jdfitz77

I get what he's saying as well. But I tend to play devil's advocate.

Plus, there's a way to make an argument for taking him even with Hodgson and Grigorenko here. There's no harm in drafting a center, and moving him to wing if you end up with too many. Both Philly and LA have done that. It's one position that I'd like to be well stocked at. He just wasn't really giving a reason other than Hodgson and Grigs weren't drafted in the top 5.

Catenacci will be a winger IMO.
- dadeadhead

Probably,
But I thought that about Ennis too
He's playing center now, so I'll still keep him in that group
Girgensons was playing mostly wing in Rochester which I thought kind of weird, but maybe they're just easing him into the center position bc he's so young

I didn't mean it as a blanket statement
I was just trying to say that there are good players on bad teams that have less than desirable +/- numbers
Get what I'm saying?
- jdfitz77

Yes. I just like to poke holes in what people are saying.


I must say, I'm pretty good at it.

+/- is a garbage stat IMO.
- dadeadhead

Im torn on it....I know guys who have and do play in the league....some say its teh worst stat in hockey, others think it legit, honest stat.

he wont be anything if he doesnt stop taking penalties....sabres.com said he has taken 49 minors already this year......49!
- Homer

So he's the new Vanek?