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SayWhat...NoWay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 09.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 3:59 PM ET
I think Morrow is from Alberta. He probably would be a start to a conversation. I'd rather give away Pouliot but I'm ok with letting Morrow go for a guy like Iginla but would not want to give up a 1st with him.
- Orpik44

Agreed
nh4442
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @MyDaddysInTheAF, PA
Joined: 05.28.2010

Feb 12 @ 3:59 PM ET
I think Morrow is from Alberta. He probably would be a start to a conversation. I'd rather give away Pouliot but I'm ok with letting Morrow go for a guy like Iginla but would not want to give up a 1st with him.
- Orpik44

I wouldnt be just for the fact that iggy has like 2 good years left and morrow has his whole career.. id rather give a 2nd and someone else in the system.. i know calgary wouldnt want tangradi but jeffrey could be added in with tk and like samuelson
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Feb 12 @ 4:10 PM ET
I wouldnt be just for the fact that iggy has like 2 good years left and morrow has his whole career.. id rather give a 2nd and someone else in the system.. i know calgary wouldnt want tangradi but jeffrey could be added in with tk and like samuelson
- nh4442

NH you gotta stop. iginla will not be had by trash a mid level prospect and a 2nd. At least be realistic I'd say calgary looking for top prospect 1st and maybe roster player.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 12 @ 4:11 PM ET
I wouldnt be just for the fact that iggy has like 2 good years left and morrow has his whole career.. id rather give a 2nd and someone else in the system.. i know calgary wouldnt want tangradi but jeffrey could be added in with tk and like samuelson
- nh4442


nh, I think they would want in return a sure thing. Samuelsson is a sure thing as much as Carl Sneep. We'd have to give up probably Morrow or Maatta and I'd like to keep Maatta/Harrington (it's just me). Best case scenario would be to throw in Pouliot on this deal.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 12 @ 4:17 PM ET
Smyth a surprising healthy scratch for Oilers

Is he done? Could he help this team in any way in the playoffs?
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Feb 12 @ 4:53 PM ET
NH you gotta stop. iginla will not be had by trash a mid level prospect and a 2nd. At least be realistic I'd say calgary looking for top prospect 1st and maybe roster player.
- dbell646


Yeah... Calgary hung on to him this long, if they are going to trade him to rebuild, they are going to want (and get) what you said, a combination of top prospect(s), first round pick(s), and a roster player. There is some leverage with Iginla having the ability to veto a team to trade with, but they are going to get quality return for him from somewhere.

I'd honestly rather wait until the offseason and go after him as a UFA if it's going to cost someone like Morrow and a first.
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Feb 12 @ 4:54 PM ET
Everyone is going to be disappointed when we trade for a mediocre winger on the last year of his deal. Bennett is either going to be up the end of this year or starting with us next. Shero will be looking for stop gaps. It will be interesting to see how many teams consider themselves sellers at the deadline.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Feb 12 @ 5:05 PM ET
Everyone is going to be disappointed when we trade for a mediocre winger on the last year of his deal. Bennett is either going to be up the end of this year or starting with us next. Shero will be looking for stop gaps. It will be interesting to see how many teams consider themselves sellers at the deadline.
- Deadstar




I won't be. I don't expect to see any moves aside from minor depth additions.
SayWhat...NoWay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 09.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 5:07 PM ET
Everyone is going to be disappointed when we trade for a mediocre winger on the last year of his deal. Bennett is either going to be up the end of this year or starting with us next. Shero will be looking for stop gaps. It will be interesting to see how many teams consider themselves sellers at the deadline.
- Deadstar

Only will be disappointed if Iginla moves and its not to here.
SayWhat...NoWay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 09.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 5:10 PM ET
Only will be disappointed if Iginla moves and its not to here.
- SayWhat...NoWay

Unless someone completly overpays for him
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Feb 12 @ 5:13 PM ET
I won't be. I don't expect to see any moves aside from minor depth additions.
- canadianpenfan


This deadline and offseason activity is going to be fun to watch... Guys like Cooke, Dupuis, Adams and TK (RFA) are done with their contracts. Who do they resign, do they add some grit depth at the deadline to fill the spots of who they let walk, or how much do they trust the younger guys in WBS to fill those roles going forward?
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Feb 12 @ 5:16 PM ET
This deadline and offseason activity is going to be fun to watch... Guys like Cooke, Dupuis, Adams and TK (RFA) are done with their contracts. Who do they resign, do they add some grit depth at the deadline to fill the spots of who they let walk, or how much do they trust the younger guys in WBS to fill those roles going forward?
- rival22



I think Dupuis, Adams and maybe Cooke get resigned.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Feb 12 @ 5:22 PM ET
Unless someone completly overpays for him
- SayWhat...NoWay


Which someone will.
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

Feb 12 @ 5:24 PM ET
If Calgary's price is a 1st and a high prospect, then no thanks. I would rather see RS wait until summer to see if he can get him and not give up anything. Sadly, someone will pay that at the trade deadline. Hopefully it's not the Pens.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 12 @ 5:37 PM ET
I am afraid to say many of you run the risk of sounding like Flyers fans.

"We should just go get Iginla and Bouwmeester, it wouldn't cost that much, and then we could trade a bunch of our garbage and a 3rd for a quality player."

It's impossible to exaggerate what Calgary expects in return for Iggy. He's not only the mayor of Calgary but the all-time leader in many key categories in the history of a franchise that literally drives the economy and is the first love of every hockey fan in southern Alberta. The wives of Calgary all consider themselves married to Ig. Jerome has no idea how many Godchildren he indeed has. I think you have an idea of what I mean to say.

Still, I want him the hell out of my division. Pittsburgh is going to have to take someone like Jiri Hudler off their hands as well, and pay fair price for him. It's likely that if Iggy gets traded, it will be remembered as the biggest blockbuster of the 2010's, and the Dome may just wear black to the first home game after he's gone.

- Gian_Carlo


Well what Calgary wants and what they'll get are 2 different things. Keep in mind, he's 35+ now, if they don't get what they beleive is fair they will end up with nothing. If he hasn't resigned by now I think he walks at the end of his contract. He is also not the only big name UFA, you can argue that there are better fish out there worth throwing those assets at. HE has about 3-5 yrs left tops and his better days are behind him. Hossa was a rental in his prime and went for a 1st, 1st rnd prospect, and a scrap 3rd/4th line player. I honestly don't believe Iginla is worth that.
brianb0422
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 07.12.2010

Feb 12 @ 5:39 PM ET
Well my NHL boycott is over, got free tickets for tomorrow. Darn.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 12 @ 5:43 PM ET
If Calgary's price is a 1st and a high prospect, then no thanks. I would rather see RS wait until summer to see if he can get him and not give up anything. Sadly, someone will pay that at the trade deadline. Hopefully it's not the Pens.
- cap1681


I don't think much will happen at the trade deadline. I don't necessarily agree with that either. I think they should be in a "win now" mode. Certainly not giving away the house, but I have no problem parting with a top prospect if it greatly enhances the teams chances. The Pens are a good team, but they have holes. I don't see them winning a cup without a decent upgrade or two.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Feb 12 @ 5:54 PM ET
I don't think much will happen at the trade deadline. I don't necessarily agree with that either. I think they should be in a "win now" mode. Certainly not giving away the house, but I have no problem parting with a top prospect if it greatly enhances the teams chances. The Pens are a good team, but they have holes. I don't see them winning a cup without a decent upgrade or two.
- madmike71


Yeah I cant see them going far without a D upgrade and 1 better top 6. I think RS needs to have a 3 yr plan for success and always preparing for 5 yrs down the road. The team is pretty solid now and a few tweaks will make it better. I dont believe in making drastic measures that risk either plan.

Now if Im a Flames fan, I think it would be wise to dump Iginla, Kipper, Jaybo for picks and prospects. I dont follow prospects or the draft but I understand this class will be strong. THey easily can add 3 more 1st rounders out of those trades.
Deadstar
Joined: 06.29.2008

Feb 12 @ 6:00 PM ET
I don't think much will happen at the trade deadline. I don't necessarily agree with that either. I think they should be in a "win now" mode. Certainly not giving away the house, but I have no problem parting with a top prospect if it greatly enhances the teams chances. The Pens are a good team, but they have holes. I don't see them winning a cup without a decent upgrade or two.
- madmike71


The issue is, the marginal benefit of an Iginla over a Matt Cullen in assets given up might not be worth the difference in probability to win it all. Hard to explain, but there arent going to be many additions out there that will make this team's chances significantly better in the playoffs relative to what they would have to give up.

You could give up a kings ransome and win the cup and say it was worth it in the end. But youre much more likely to not win the cup even with giving up a kings ransome. There's a fine line there between going for it and not mortgaging an entire future. Shero has toed the line well in my opinion.
SayWhat...NoWay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 09.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 6:28 PM ET
Does iggy have a NMC?
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 12 @ 6:31 PM ET
The issue is, the marginal benefit of an Iginla over a Matt Cullen in assets given up might not be worth the difference in probability to win it all. Hard to explain, but there arent going to be many additions out there that will make this team's chances significantly better in the playoffs relative to what they would have to give up.

You could give up a kings ransome and win the cup and say it was worth it in the end. But youre much more likely to not win the cup even with giving up a kings ransome. There's a fine line there between going for it and not mortgaging an entire future. Shero has toed the line well in my opinion.

- Deadstar


I understand and agree. I guess, I should have been more specific. I don't necessarily think UFA rental is the only way to go. Frankly, I've watched a couple of Calgary games this year and haven't seen enough from Iggy where he deserves a top prospect.

I'm just saying this team has holes and Shero has to improve it if they have dreams of getting another cup. It's not like we have tons of NHL ready players to deal, so they have no choice but to part with a prospect or two.

Anyway..... Shero's already on record as saying he won't give up a top prospect for an UFA. He wants players he can control if he's going to flip a top prospect. I have complete faith in his abilities as well.


madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 12 @ 6:33 PM ET
Does iggy have a NMC?
- SayWhat...NoWay



Yes.... This will likely reduce the return for Calgary because he's likely to focus only on a few teams.
Orpik44
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wooooo!Bring it on Flyer wussies!
Joined: 06.04.2011

Feb 12 @ 6:33 PM ET
The issue is, the marginal benefit of an Iginla over a Matt Cullen in assets given up might not be worth the difference in probability to win it all. Hard to explain, but there arent going to be many additions out there that will make this team's chances significantly better in the playoffs relative to what they would have to give up.

You could give up a kings ransome and win the cup and say it was worth it in the end. But youre much more likely to not win the cup even with giving up a kings ransome. There's a fine line there between going for it and not mortgaging an entire future. Shero has toed the line well in my opinion.

- Deadstar

I'd get Iginla now for a run at the cup. No reason not to go for him and try to win it all. If Morrow is the price, so be it. It's not like we will mortgage our future. Add a veteran reliable d-man and a hard working wing and we are set.
SayWhat...NoWay
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 09.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 6:34 PM ET
The issue is, the marginal benefit of an Iginla over a Matt Cullen in assets given up might not be worth the difference in probability to win it all. Hard to explain, but there arent going to be many additions out there that will make this team's chances significantly better in the playoffs relative to what they would have to give up.

You could give up a kings ransome and win the cup and say it was worth it in the end. But youre much more likely to not win the cup even with giving up a kings ransome. There's a fine line there between going for it and not mortgaging an entire future. Shero has toed the line well in my opinion.

- Deadstar

Shero is darn good at this though. Who here is complaining of any of the assets given up in aquiring hossa/duper, kunitz,guerin,neal and even poni even though he didnt work out?
HopintheCordoba
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: My Own Personal Burgh, MD
Joined: 04.04.2012

Feb 12 @ 6:45 PM ET
I don't think much will happen at the trade deadline. I don't necessarily agree with that either. I think they should be in a "win now" mode. Certainly not giving away the house, but I have no problem parting with a top prospect if it greatly enhances the teams chances. The Pens are a good team, but they have holes. I don't see them winning a cup without a decent upgrade or two.
- madmike71


No question. I think Shero played his hand saying he wouldn't do a deal other than waivers at the deadline last year thinking that'd motivate the team and also to show he felt they were good enough. Effort, system or whatever else all showed they weren't. He probably will do some things. I hope so but not too much unless its really going to change the team for the better now and future.
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