No, but he does have less physical ability and natural talent which is pretty much the only thing Phaneuf is surviving on.
- Two_For_Truth

He's never been a smart player.

Always plays like this... High risk, high reward. I don't get ppl saying he can play much better cause he's played the same way he is now for years. He is what he is.

And yet he was still named 3rd star.
- Atomic Wedgie

not what i saw, Bozak Kessel and a Jet was 3rd, can't remember who it was though

He's never been a smart player.

Always plays like this... High risk, high reward. I don't get ppl saying he can play much better cause he's played the same way he is now for years. He is what he is.
- robin_steele264

Got to hate on players that can survive on Natural Talent alone. We must have too many of these.

not what i saw, Bozak Kessel and a Jet was 3rd, can't remember who it was though
- bobbyisno1

We may have dueling 3-star selections:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020148

i don't know about that but he sure made a few bone head moves last night
- bobbyisno1

He does that every night. Zero hockey IQ.

I would consider it since there's 30 teams and every team would need a number on pairing defenceman.
- tmlfan17

Just because you're #1 in ice time on the worst team in the league, doesn't make you a legit #1 defender. Unless you are setting the bar incredibly low.

Phaneuf is on the number one pairing in Boston w/ Chara

No he isn't. Both Chara and Seidenberg are far better defensively than Phaneuf can ever dream of being. And in a year or two, Hamilton will be way better too. Probably already is.

He's probably also on the number one pairing in Chicago with Keith - Close Seabrook is good.

Phaneuf is nowhere near Keith or Seabrook.

He'd be on the numbe rone pairing in Pitt w/ Letang
He'd be on the number one paiing in STL w/ Petro
He'd be on the number one pairing in Ottawa with Karlsson
He'd be on the number one pairing in Florida
He'd be on the number one pairing in Winnipeg - your high if you don't think so

You keep saying #1 pairing. You must have forgot to read the part where I said #1 defender. They are two different things.

Alll you read is stats and never put anything into perspective.

Actually, you're the one who is basing Phaneuf as a #1 defender just because he leads the Leafs in ice time. If you actually watched him play, and then watched other #1 defenders play, you'd see Phaneuf is as dumb as a post in terms of hockey IQ.

Got hate on players that can survive on Natural Talent alone. We must have too many of these.
- bixll

Kyle effing Wellwood.

Which is irrelevant because I originally said Phaneuf, with a good enough partner, is a #2. I'm talking about being a #1 on a contender and he got confused and thought I was talking about pairings.
- Two_For_Truth

It isn't irrelevant because I said number one pairing...I said name 10 teams that Phaneuf wouldn't be on the number 1 pairing on....You named em and I told you he'd arguably be number one on every team you listed.
Now your saying it's irrelevant because your (frank)ing idiot who is wrong once again and trying to call other people wrong because you can't read.

We may have dueling 3-star selections:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020148
- Atomic Wedgie

not who they picked on Leaf TV

Kyle effing Wellwood.
- Atomic Wedgie

You would think, with a good quality coaching staff, that they could take players with natural talent, and turn them into something special...

He does that every night. Zero hockey IQ.
- Two_For_Truth

that cross ice pass to nobody on the power play that cost a short handed goal was particularily disturbing

We may have dueling 3-star selections:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020148
- Atomic Wedgie

I think the NHL.com selections are different that of the broadcast. With respect to Molson Cup standings before, they were based on the selections by the broadcast team.

He's never been a smart player.

Always plays like this... High risk, high reward. I don't get ppl saying he can play much better cause he's played the same way he is now for years. He is what he is.
- robin_steele264

Probably never will be either.

Hopefully they can trade him for something good and don't give him an extension.

But that's probably not going to happen.

We may have dueling 3-star selections:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2012020148
- Atomic Wedgie

but the box score at the Leaf site says the same thing. weird

I think the NHL.com selections are different that of the broadcast. With respect to Molson Cup standings before, they were based on the selections by the broadcast team.
- p_zub

do you think anybody from NHL.com watched the game?

Just because you're #1 in ice time on the worst team in the league, doesn't make you a legit #1 defender. Unless you are setting the bar incredibly low.



No he isn't. Both Chara and Seidenberg are far better defensively than Phaneuf can ever dream of being. And in a year or two, Hamilton will be way better too. Probably already is.



Phaneuf is nowhere near Keith or Seabrook.



You keep saying #1 pairing. You must have forgot to read the part where I said #1 defender. They are two different things.



Actually, you're the one who is basing Phaneuf as a #1 defender just because he leads the Leafs in ice time. If you actually watched him play, and then watched other #1 defenders play, you'd see Phaneuf is as dumb as a post in terms of hockey IQ.
- Two_For_Truth

I do keep saying number one pairing because that's what I was saying.
You keep saying Phaneuf has no hockey sense but how would he end up on all those teams 1st pairings then....A guy with no hockey sense on the first pairing playing with big names like that....Somewhere you are wrong....man

It isn't irrelevant because I said number one pairing...I said name 10 teams that Phaneuf wouldn't be on the number 1 pairing on....You named em and I told you he'd arguably be number one on every team you listed.
Now your saying it's irrelevant because your (frank)ing idiot who is wrong once again and trying to call other people wrong because you can't read.
- tmlfan17

You really are on a different planet. It is irrelevant because you responded to my comment where I said he's not a #1 defender. Had nothing to do with pairings. I already said he can be a #2. I was talking about him being a #1 defender. Then, all of sudden, you started saying top pairing. #1 defender and top pairing aren't the same thing. You are trying to say that Phaneuf could be the #2, which I already said that's where he belongs because he lacks far too much hockey IQ to be a #1. Maybe if you had read that part you wouldn't have fallen so far behind.

Here's what you said the first time.

Phaneuf is a number one pairing defenseman he has never had a number 2 to play with since he's been in Toronto...
- tmlfan17

You are clearly implying that Phaneuf is a #1 defender because he's never had a #2 defender to play with. This is why when I replied to you, I listed all of the teams that have a better #1 defender on and showed you why Phaneuf isn't really a #1 defender on a contender. He's, at his absolute best, a #2 guy, which I already said a few pages ago. You have either become very confused or have no idea what you're typing.

I do keep saying number one pairing because that's what I was saying.
You keep saying Phaneuf has no hockey sense but how would he end up on all those teams 1st pairings then....A guy with no hockey sense on the first pairing playing with big names like that....Somewhere you are wrong....man
- tmlfan17

Phaneuf doesn't have hockey sense. That's exactly why he needs somebody who is better than him to cover up all his dumbass mistakes.

You would think, with a good quality coaching staff, that they could take players with natural talent, and turn them into something special...



- bixll

Can we get back to talking about weather? It's much more interesting.

Boston is about to get pounded - which puts their game tommorrow in jeopardy (1 pm vs. Tampa Bay). And you'd also have to wonder if they will be able to make it to Buffalo for a Sunday night 7 pm game.

Normally, this wouldn't be such a big deal. But under such a compressed schedule, trying to make up two games might be a tough one.

Edit: the Sunday night game is probably doable. Storm is supposed to end Saturday morning, giving them enough time to shovel runways at Logan and Buffalo.

that cross ice pass to nobody on the power play that cost a short handed goal was particularily disturbing
- bobbyisno1

His Bobby Orr rushing attempts are disturbing. He goes all the way into the offensive zone, behind the net and does absolutely nothing that a simple dump in couldn't accomplish.

Just because you're #1 in ice time on the worst team in the league, doesn't make you a legit #1 defender. Unless you are setting the bar incredibly low.



No he isn't. Both Chara and Seidenberg are far better defensively than Phaneuf can ever dream of being. And in a year or two, Hamilton will be way better too. Probably already is.



Phaneuf is nowhere near Keith or Seabrook.



You keep saying #1 pairing. You must have forgot to read the part where I said #1 defender. They are two different things.



Actually, you're the one who is basing Phaneuf as a #1 defender just because he leads the Leafs in ice time. If you actually watched him play, and then watched other #1 defenders play, you'd see Phaneuf is as dumb as a post in terms of hockey IQ.
- Two_For_Truth

Let's just say your right for a second....ok'
I'll give you everything your saying but you used the first pairing thing to get out of your argument. You agree Phaneuf would arguably be on those teams number one PAIRING just not that teams number one DMAN....Right?
So Phaneuf is on those teams top pair....What coach or team would put a guy with zero hockey sense and that brutal of a defenceman on their number one paring?
If he has no hockey sense and is as brutal as you say he's not a number one pairing defenceman in this league.
You are a troll and you hate all things Maple Leafs. For Christ sakes you think JVR is awful and he meets all your criteria for ELITE......Top 3 draft pick ....Comes to the Leafs under 24 yrs old you don't like him.
You a (frank)ing dumbass, ban me so I can save my time not replying to this (frank)ing troll.

You really are on a different planet. It is irrelevant because you responded to my comment where I said he's not a #1 defender. Had nothing to do with pairings. I already said he can be a #2. I was talking about him being a #1 defender. Then, all of sudden, you started saying top pairing. #1 defender and top pairing aren't the same thing. You are trying to say that Phaneuf could be the #2, which I already said that's where he belongs because he lacks far too much hockey IQ to be a #1. Maybe if you had read that part you wouldn't have fallen so far behind.

Here's what you said the first time.



You are clearly implying that Phaneuf is a #1 defender because he's never had a #2 defender to play with. This is why when I replied to you, I listed all of the teams that have a better #1 defender on and showed you why Phaneuf isn't really a #1 defender on a contender. He's, at his absolute best, a #2 guy, which I already said a few pages ago. You have either become very confused or have no idea what you're typing.
- Two_For_Truth

If Phaneuf actually had a defence partner like a Duncan Keith or Ryan Suter....You think he might look a little better than playing beside Mike Kotska or Carl Gunnarson....Just asking? You didn't answer that question.
Phaneuf's reality is he plays 27 minutes a night with Mike Kotska.
On the teams that Phaneuf has been on the last 4 years would Duncan Keith be as good on this Leaf team as he has been on Chicago....?
Please answer these are relevant questions toask when discussing Phaneuf's worth

Further edit: Bruins game vs. Tampa has been moved to 7 pm on Saturday.

The Massachusetts governor has banned all motor vehicle travel as of 4 pm today. They could get up to 3 feet of snow in Boston.

3 feet!

I can't see how you can even play at 7 pm if that happens.

Can we get back to talking about weather? It's much more interesting.

Boston is about to get pounded - which puts their game tommorrow in jeopardy (1 pm vs. Tampa Bay). And you'd also have to wonder if they will be able to make it to Buffalo for a Sunday night 7 pm game.

Normally, this wouldn't be such a big deal. But under such a compressed schedule, trying to make up two games might be a tough one.

Edit: the Sunday night game is probably doable. Storm is supposed to end Saturday morning, giving them enough time to shovel runways at Logan and Buffalo.
- Atomic Wedgie

Both of these storms are headed for us.. The one you are getting and the one coming up the coast. one. right behind the other.

Further edit: Bruins game vs. Tampa has been moved to 7 pm on Saturday.

The Massachusetts governor has banned all motor vehicle travel as of 4 pm today. They could get up to 3 feet of snow in Boston.

3 feet!

I can't see how you can even play at 7 pm if that happens.
- Atomic Wedgie

Go Leafs Go!!!