Canucks and Sabres didn't join the league until 1970.
- Two_For_Truth

Im not saying they joined any earlier. Just that it doesn't represent any team really. Open to however you take it.

That's why they're able to lord over us, those extra 3 years.
- Jeffmt

That's why they're able to lord over us, those extra 3 years.
- Jeffmt

It makes a big difference.

- A_Tree

That's why they're able to lord over us, those extra 3 years.
- Jeffmt

It has more to do with how much you've sucked since the league expanded.....but whatever.

It has more to do with how much you've sucked since the league expanded.....but whatever.
- golfingsince

truth.

It has more to do with how much you've sucked since the league expanded.....but whatever.
- golfingsince

And Vancouver and Buffalo have been awesome with their combined 0 cups. Toronto has had they're share of good seasons since 1970 too. People like to forget about those.

It has more to do with how much you've sucked since the league expanded.....but whatever.
- golfingsince

I think you completely swung, and missed, on the point he was trying to make.

truth.
- wingz4life

Red Wings fans can say whatever they want about the Leafs' 40+ years of futility. Vancouver fans just sound ridiculous.

I think you completely swung, and missed, on the point he was trying to make.
- systemtool

nope, cup debate started..

nope, cup debate started..
- wingz4life

And Vancouver and Buffalo have been awesome with their combined 0 cups. Toronto has had they're share of good seasons since 1970 too. People like to forget about those.
- Jeffmt

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.

1. Phoenix

2. Winnipeg

3. Columbus

4. Toronto

5. San Jose

Am I missing anyone?

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.

1. Phoenix

2. Winnipeg

3. Columbus

4. Toronto

5. San Jose

Am I missing anyone?
- golfingsince

nope.

nope, cup debate started..
- wingz4life

Nope, i need some sleep tonight.

Nope, i need some sleep tonight.
- golfingsince

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.

1. Phoenix

2. Winnipeg

3. Columbus

4. Toronto

5. San Jose

Am I missing anyone?
- golfingsince

Name the teams that are consistently satisfied with making the Cup finals and winning the President's Trophy.

1. Vancouver


Seriously, is golfingsince1970 that much better?

nope, cup debate started..
- wingz4life

He wasn't debating cups. Just pointing out the lack of, on both sides.

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.

1. Phoenix

2. Winnipeg

3. Columbus

4. Toronto

5. San Jose

Am I missing anyone?
- golfingsince

Yeah I forgot everyone remembers the finalists....

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.

1. Phoenix

2. Winnipeg

3. Columbus

4. Toronto

5. San Jose

Am I missing anyone?
- golfingsince

Its about who won cups, not a battle of 2nd place.

Its about who won cups, not a battle of 2nd place.
- systemtool

only people who remember are the fans of the two teams involved.

only people who remember are the fans of the two teams involved.
- wingz4life

Exactly. But winning the Cup is forever. Its why the Cup has the winners engraved on it, and not who finished 2nd.

The Leafs are on there, and whether pre or post expansion, Im proud of it.

Name the teams that are consistently satisfied with making the Cup finals and winning the President's Trophy.

1. Vancouver
- Jeffmt

Name the post expansion team that's satisfied with never making the cup finals and never having won a presidents trophy.

1. Toronto

San Jose has won a president's trophy and the other 3 aren't satisfied.

Name the teams that haven't made it to a cup finals since expansion.
- golfingsince

This isn't the Olympics. There is no silver medal for 2nd place.

Yeah I forgot everyone remembers the finalists....
- jribout

Yeah, cuz so many people remember Leaf cups.

This isn't the Olympics. There is no silver medal for 2nd place.
- Two_For_Truth

No there isn't. It's also not the CFL on skates anymore.