that's not a fair trade.

lundq > quick
gabby > kopitar
mcdonagh > doughty

maybe if they add a 4th.
- rangerdanger94

i think subban has more value than o'reilly.

plus o'reilly is unsigned which brings his value down even more.
- rangerdanger94

he might have more value, but it's not much more. they are very close IMO. o'reilly is a ryan kessler type player, has offensive punch, while still being a beast in his own zone. those guys are hard to find.

p.k. still has a lot of holes in his game that he needs to work on. he's got a great shot, but he's still irresponsible in his own end. puts himself out of position ALL THE TIME trying for the kill shot. not saying the kid isn't gonna be great, but o'reilly RIGHT NOW is a more complete player

something tells me you're NEVER getting a job as a GM......

that's like me saying that i wouldn't trade methot for eberle cuz we're shallow on D right now.
- sensarmy_11

thats not really the same thing at all, and I don't think you are following my train of thought. In the end yes I would OBVIOUSLY make a gagner for karlsson trade, but only because I would then turn around and trade karlsson for what we actually need, a center with size. You don't seem to understand that if we can't win a faceoff that pretty much makes a one trick pony useless if that trick is offence, the Oilers as it is have a hard enough time getting puck control. If we are talking unrealistic trades I would much rather get a Weber or a Chara because at least that would give us someone we NEED, size and defensive capability. You seem to think I don't think a gagner for karlsson trade is fair, which isn't the case, I realize that would be a great trade, I just don't see how that would help us at all.

Leading the OHL in scoring...yeah, that's the guy the Isles(who trade no one) are gonna trade. Wake up. Nap time's over.
- jmo16

its not impossible...relax; if the isles trade strome, theyll get something good in return! thats usually how trades work, dont get your panties in a bunch

The guy has 100 pts in more than 230 games. Stop i with the second coming of Gretzky.

He will be a good 2nd line center in the league and every team that has that kind of guy centering there first line are in big trouble (aka the Habs last year)
- soad_live

says the guy who seems to think that subban is the 2nd coming of bobby orr, or that eller is the 2nd coming of cam neely.

you need to take off your homer glasses and look at thing objectively. if p.k. was as good as you seem to think he is, he would have gotten his money. as it stands, not even the habs organization think he's as good as you do, hence the reason they waited and waited until he took what they wanted to give him. subban has as many flaws in his game as he does skills.....he may turn into a great player, but he isn't there yet.
- sensarmy_11

PK Subban isn't someone I would want on my team. I don't think he is interested in learning how to play defense, his numbers are like Robert Svehla, and then there is all of the totally unwarranted refulgent antics. His attitude and flash with no underlying substance will certainly be sought after, but not here.

he won a gold medal in the olympics and the vezina.

i can't wait until king henrik reminds you why he's nicknamed the king tonight
- rangerdanger94

Jim Craig won a gold medal vs a team far better than Sweden beat...Olympics mean NOTHING.
Blame Larry Brooks for creating/abusing Henrik's nickname. He's been more like a jester this year than royalty.

This game will be interesting, tho...no doubt. Both teams are playing different from last year.

thats not really the same thing at all, and I don't think you are following my train of thought. In the end yes I would OBVIOUSLY make a gagner for karlsson trade, but only because I would then turn around and trade karlsson for what we actually need, a center with size. You don't seem to understand that if we can't win a faceoff that pretty much makes a one trick pony useless if that trick is offence, the Oilers as it is have a hard enough time getting puck control. If we are talking unrealistic trades I would much rather get a Weber or a Chara because at least that would give us someone we NEED, size and defensive capability. You seem to think I don't think a gagner for karlsson trade is fair, which isn't the case, I realize that would be a great trade, I just don't see how that would help us at all.
- ALEDDO

lol, this conversation is getting ridiculous. how the hell did we get here.

and karlsson is the most underrated player when it comes to playing D in the league. kid is a beast in his own end this year. playing over 3 mins per game on the PK, leads the league in takeaways, always in the right postion, he's fantastic in his own end. honestly, watch a sens game, his defense this year is almost as impressive as his puck movign ability. it's a different style then weber or chara, but just as effective.

Should all of Western Canada still be waiting on baited breath??

its not impossible...relax; if the isles trade strome, theyll get something good in return! thats usually how trades work, dont get your panties in a bunch
- LetsGoIsles

*pinch me*

You would have me there had I said that, or if he was the Avs #1 Center. It must be really easy to confuse what a #1 C is in Montreal.
- Gian_Carlo

Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk have more value than him.

lol, this conversation is getting ridiculous. how the hell did we get here.

and karlsson is the most underrated player when it comes to playing D in the league. kid is a beast in his own end this year. playing over 3 mins per game on the PK, leads the league in takeaways, always in the right postion, he's fantastic in his own end. honestly, watch a sens game, his defense this year is almost as impressive as his puck movign ability. it's a different style then weber or chara, but just as effective.
- sensarmy_11

Because you don't seem to realize there are things called variables. You don't seem to realize if we don't have the right pieces to put around Karlsson he isn't going to perform at the same level as he is in Ottawa. As I have tried very rationally to explain to you Karlsson CAN NOT do everything for us, unfortunately the Oilers are probably one of the worst depth teams. If as it stands we can't win faceoffs, win battles along the boards, out shoot our opponents and have trouble handling teams with bigger players adding a Karlsson isn't gonna magically solve those problems.

The Sabres could really use a guy like Weiss. Really solid two-way guy. I've always thought he'd look good in a Sabres uniform.

*pinch me*

- jmo16

Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk have more value than him.
- soad_live

At least you didn't write a very long, boring post only to not make a point.

Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk have more value than him.
- soad_live

You're silly.

you need to take off your homer glasses and look at thing objectively. if p.k. was as good as you seem to think he is, he would have gotten his money. as it stands, not even the habs organization think he's as good as you do, hence the reason they waited and waited until he took what they wanted to give him. subban has as many flaws in his game as he does skills.....he may turn into a great player, but he isn't there yet.
- sensarmy_11

I don't think the contract Subban got has something to do with him being good or not. Montreal used the same "bridge contract" with Price and Pacioretty.

Because you don't seem to realize there are things called variables. You don't seem to realize if we don't have the right pieces to put around Karlsson he isn't going to perform at the same level as he is in Ottawa. As I have tried very rationally to explain to you Karlsson CAN NOT do everything for us, unfortunately the Oilers are probably one of the worst depth teams. If as it stands we can't win faceoffs, win battles along the boards, out shoot our opponents and have trouble handling teams with bigger players adding a Karlsson isn't gonna magically solve those problems.
- ALEDDO

i understand there are variables involved, i wasn't trying to sell karlsson to you. i said that someone made a ridiculous trade offer of gagner and a 2nd for karlsson. if you wouldn't trade gagner for karlsson because of variables, that's fine.

you need to relax a little, i was laughing because our conversation got so ridiculously side tracked from what the thread was about.

PK Subban isn't someone I would want on my team. I don't think he is interested in learning how to play defense, his numbers are like Robert Svehla, and then there is all of the totally unwarranted refulgent antics. His attitude and flash with no underlying substance will certainly be sought after, but not here.
- Gian_Carlo

Subban represent all that what should be hockey now. Talent, fun, intelligent, different from all other stupid players out there that dont know how to answer a question with emotions. There are no other player like PK. There is alot of O'Reilly in this league. Thats what i'm trying to tell you.

The guy has 100 pts in more than 230 games. Stop i with the second coming of Gretzky.

He will be a good 2nd line center in the league and every team that has that kind of guy centering there first line are in big trouble (aka the Habs last year)
- soad_live

It is painfully clear that you have not seen any play of his over his 3 year career.

Its good and all to make an attempt to justify that Eller and ROR are somehow close to value. But to make repeated attempts to load up his tsn stats page as some sort of justification reeks of a lack of understanding as to his abilities.

In his first 2 seasons, as an 18 and 19 year old, he played abot 16 mins a game, virtually all of it at ES and on the PK. In those years, he was 9th and 8th in the league in takeaways, and his giveaway to takeaway ratio was among the best.

Last year, he played against the top line game in and game out, led the team in scoring, led the league in takeaways with 101, and his TA/GA ratio was 3! He is over 50% in each of the last 2 years.

At this point, hes already shown that hes one of the top defensive centers in the game. He just needs to prove that his offense is something he can improve on.

But to compare him to Eller, and to suggest that in any respects, that they are comparable in value, is beyond ridiculous. Eller has been a complimentary player to his team in each year and has not once, led his team in any sort of statistical measure.

Oh, and ROR is 2 years younger.

I don't think the contract Subban got has something to do with him being good or not. Montreal used the same "bridge contract" with Price and Pacioretty.
- sEb_666

price got his "bridge" contract coming off a bad year where halak was probably the better goalie, and pacioretty got his before he broke out also.

subban is treated as the 2nd coming of christ in montreal, if the franchise was sure that he was as good as most fans seem to think he is, they wouldn't have hesitated to give him his money on a long term deal.

not the same situation.

i understand there are variables involved, i wasn't trying to sell karlsson to you. i said that someone made a ridiculous trade offer of gagner and a 2nd for karlsson. if you wouldn't trade gagner for karlsson because of variables, that's fine.

you need to relax a little, i was laughing because our conversation got so ridiculously side tracked from what the thread was about.
- sensarmy_11

In the end I wasn't trying to say I wouldn't trade gagner for karlsson, I was just saying karlsson wasn't what we need, and you got all butt hurt

i understand there are variables involved, i wasn't trying to sell karlsson to you. i said that someone made a ridiculous trade offer of gagner and a 2nd for karlsson. if you wouldn't trade gagner for karlsson because of variables, that's fine.

you need to relax a little, i was laughing because our conversation got so ridiculously side tracked from what the thread was about.
- sensarmy_11

I'd look at Smith or O'Brien from OTT for EDM. I don't see EDM going out making a big splash just yet. Otherwise in NYI, I think Nelson makes sense.

Subban represent all that what should be hockey now. Talent, fun, intelligent, different from all other stupid players out there that dont know how to answer a question with emotions. There are no other player like PK. There is alot of O'Reilly in this league. Thats what i'm trying to tell you.
- soad_live

you're ridiculous, and are obviously not able to look at this with even a shred of objectivity.

so you're right....all habs players are great and worth a poopload, and all other players are overrated and worth nothing.

Subban represent all that what should be hockey now. Talent, fun, intelligent, different from all other stupid players out there that dont know how to answer a question with emotions. There are no other player like PK. There is alot of O'Reilly in this league. Thats what i'm trying to tell you.
- soad_live

The last guy who acted like PK Subban made some sexual comments to the press and had to be scratched from a Dallas Stars game in order to protect him from Dion Phaneuf.