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XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
Eventually, Poulin or Nilsson has to graduate to the NHL to continue their development. My point is that if either is ready to do that, they can't because RDP is taking their spot. It is a poor decision to keep RDP on the roster and not give a pathway to the NHL to your top two goaltending prospects. And because Poulin and Nilsson are in the "A", the Isles can't even bring Koskinen over from Europe to play in the "A". Its a snowball effect.
- Jethro09



THIS I can agree with...

I still love Koskinen's size & movement

XxNYIxX
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:01 PM ET
Because to assume just because a player is drafted in the 1st round is a top 6 player.. is the wrong assumption.

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX


Ah, gotcha. Agree there. I thought you were closing the book on Nelson!
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
Well yes you are correct xXx. We are 5 YEARS CLOSER to the next cup that the Isles win!

Other than the time discrepancy. This still isnt a PO team.

Which is what a rebuild is suppose to accomplish. NO?

- SCLI



of course, but who is to say the rebuild is done? they certainly are closer to that team we all want then they were before the rebuild began...
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
Okposo, Aucoin and Bailey...now that's one hell of a 3rd line. I'm sure the opposition will be shaking in their boots


- Charlie21


Is this the accumulation of our 5 yr rebuild! A third line consisting of Two underachieving 1st rd picks and a Career AHL forward?
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
Ko getting traded or is their a basketball game going on today?
- mighty13duck



UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:03 PM ET
Is this the accumulation of our 5 yr rebuild! A third line consisting of Two underachieving 1st rd picks and a Career AHL forward?
- SCLI


Get your tickets now!
Spartiarti
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 09.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:04 PM ET
if you guys thing Frans is the problem then you dont know hockey, guy has been excellent. He is one of the best Two players out there. He matches up against some of the top opposing fowards, a incredible PKer and can score 15 -20 goals in a year. Frans is a -1 and will likely end year with Postive +/- on a team full of negatives. he has 8 points is 10 games. what more do you want.

The problem is Coach, and lack of accountability. isles play players according to salary. Not for how hard and well the are doing.

Hickey has been one of better defenders with limted mins. And what Irks me is when Viz is ready, its going to him that is Odd Man out. The reality it should be Strait or Streit taken a seat for few games.

As for KO i don think there is hope. Dont put Bailey in same camp as him, until he given his chance to play top mins.


As for Aucoin, sure he is good in face off Circle, But he has lost his Edge in the game. Coaching staff must remind him that his starting position on Roster is not SAFE. Play like this game is your last. CIZIKIS should stay and Aucoin could lose his spot to Bailey.

My vote for next guys to deserve PP time and time with top wing with JT and MOulson is Martin and Ullstrom.

Finley and Boulton shouldnt even be in the NHL.

LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:05 PM ET
Eventually, Poulin or Nilsson has to graduate to the NHL to continue their development. My point is that if either is ready to do that, they can't because RDP is taking their spot. It is a poor decision to keep RDP on the roster and not give a pathway to the NHL to your top two goaltending prospects. And because Poulin and Nilsson are in the "A", the Isles can't even bring Koskinen over from Europe to play in the "A". Its a snowball effect.
- Jethro09



i still dont get why they cant bury RDP in bridgeport or some place where he will limit who he is hurting...(other than himself inevitably)
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:07 PM ET
i still dont get why they cant bury RDP in bridgeport or some place where he will limit who he is hurting...(other than himself inevitably)
- LetsGoIsles


That's what I would like to know.
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:10 PM ET

- LetsGoIsles

Seriously whats the deal with him not being at practice any updates?
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
Seriously whats the deal with him not being at practice any updates?
- mighty13duck


According to IPB undisclosed illness.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:15 PM ET
According to IPB undisclosed illness.
- ses111


I'm gettin frankin traded ittess..
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:16 PM ET
i still dont get why they cant bury RDP in bridgeport or some place where he will limit who he is hurting...(other than himself inevitably)
- LetsGoIsles

They can. But they won't because they mismanage the team. Burying him in the "A" would open that roster spot, but CW would still have to pay him and, most importantly, CW would have to replace that $4.5M on the NHL roster because they are so close to the floor, which means adding $4.5M to the payroll. He won't do that.

The Thomas deal would allow them to cut RDP without salary floor concerns, at least for this season. But I doubt that's why the deal was made.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
In the end, YES.... But we are moving closer to that end. We have NHL talent on the team, we have blue chip prospects in the system... we are much closer then we were 5 years ago.

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX


Let it not be said that I'm an unreasonable man.

Having you and Bixll as opposition. I'll agree and compromise. We are a little closer than we were 5 seasons ago. Looking back that team really stunk.

Still I'm not giving Snow and Wang a pass. We should be in a much much better position then we are.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:25 PM ET

Let it not be said that I'm an unreasonable man.

Having you and Bixll as opposition. I'll agree and compromise. We are a little closer than we were 5 seasons ago. Looking back that team really stunk.

Still I'm not giving Snow and Wang a pass. We should be in a much much better position then we are.

- SCLI



I am no fan of SNOW right now anyway, much less as a GM. Wanger is another story all together..A fan, I am not.. But the team is better than it was 5 years ago. Maybe not great yet, but improved. Many more bright spots than even the most bitter of fan must agree with. JT, Hammy are 2 excellent pieces any team would love to have. Many prospects that may turn into good NHL players.

You don't have to try a back hand spring, but they are in better shape than 5 years ago.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:27 PM ET
I agree the Rangers right now seem to have done better drafting then we have. I would have drafted Cody Hodgson over Bailey...
- kear20


Better drafting or better development? Don't you think Baily and Nino might of been developed poorly and rushed?
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:28 PM ET

Let it not be said that I'm an unreasonable man.

Having you and Bixll as opposition. I'll agree and compromise. We are a little closer than we were 5 seasons ago. Looking back that team really stunk.

Still I'm not giving Snow and Wang a pass. We should be in a much much better position then we are.

- SCLI



Nore should you & Yes I feel we should be better then were we are, but realistically not all THAT much better.

XxNYIxX
Railbait
New York Islanders
Location: Captain Tavares, NY
Joined: 10.10.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:31 PM ET
I'm gettin frankin traded ittess..
- bixll


XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
Better drafting or better development? Don't you think Baily and Nino might of been developed poorly and rushed?
- mrhattrick27



He said the Rangers have had better drafting & development.... hello?


XxNYIxX
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:39 PM ET
of course, but who is to say the rebuild is done? they certainly are closer to that team we all want then they were before the rebuild began...
- LetsGoIsles


I hope no one.

I'd have their competency checked if anyone believed this team is a finished product

As for Snow.

I hope he holds a press conference (as if anyone would come now that they have to buy their own Bottled Water )

And admits to the Fans and the NHL how he failed to produce a PO team during his Self Proclaimed 5 yr rebuild.

How he realizes now that building primarily with draft picks and waiver pickups isnt the way to build a wining hockey team.

How they always took the cheap route and played their fans buy telling them every yr that the Isles were a PO team.

Then Admitting that its gonna take another 3-4 yrs of losing before this team becomes competitive if they continue along this direction
Charlie21
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 10.14.2009

Feb 8 @ 1:41 PM ET
Better drafting or better development? Don't you think Baily and Nino might of been developed poorly and rushed?
- mrhattrick27


Both, but the way I see it is they were rushed because there were holes in the lineup that needed to be filled and they had no one else to fill them. In the case of Kreider, Steppan and now Miller (granted he's only played 2 games, but looks good), can you say the Rangers developed them? I'm no Ranger expert, but didn't they all jump form Junior or College straight to the NHL. I know Kreider played in the A, but that's only because of the lockout. If my points are valid, I would say the Rangers didn't "develop" any of them....I reserve the right to be wrong, as I do not claim to be an expert on Ranger prospects.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:44 PM ET
I hope no one.

I'd have their competency checked if anyone believed this team is a finished product

As for Snow.

I hope he holds a press conference (as if anyone would come now that they have to buy their own Bottled Water )

And admits to the Fans and the NHL how he failed to produce a PO team during his Self Proclaimed 5 yr rebuild.

How he realizes now that building primarily with draft picks and waiver pickups isnt the way to build a wining hockey team.

How they always took the cheap route and played their fans buy telling them every yr that the Isles were a PO team.

Then Admitting that its gonna take another 3-4 yrs of losing before this team becomes competitive if they continue along this direction

- SCLI



Not an easy thing to do SC..


The Leafs had Burke, with a budget to the Cap, and he couldn't get a team in the playoffs either..Just sayin. it is a hrad thing to do. Those how do it quickly also admit to getting lucky with some prospects as well. Also, they get lucky with picks that they have received from trades gone by. Also some drafts years are far stronger than other, so it also dpends where you pick and how the picks are for that year..

I thnk Snow has done a pretty fair job with a negative Cap floor budget to work with. He has a far higher grade than Burke, for what that's worth.
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:48 PM ET
I hope no one.

I'd have their competency checked if anyone believed this team is a finished product

As for Snow.

I hope he holds a press conference (as if anyone would come now that they have to buy their own Bottled Water )

And admits to the Fans and the NHL how he failed to produce a PO team during his Self Proclaimed 5 yr rebuild.

How he realizes now that building primarily with draft picks and waiver pickups isnt the way to build a wining hockey team.

How they always took the cheap route and played their fans buy telling them every yr that the Isles were a PO team.

Then Admitting that its gonna take another 3-4 yrs of losing before this team becomes competitive if they continue along this direction

- SCLI


Why would he have that press conference, most of it is untrue.

XxNYIxX
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:48 PM ET
I'm gettin frankin traded ittess..
- bixll



thats what it sounds like...
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:52 PM ET
That's a cop out. The Predators and Coyotes aren't big market, money-making machines. Yet, they each ice competitive teams year in and year out and make the playoffs year in and year out. They don't go six years without getting out of the bottom five in the league. The reason is because they are much better run organizations than the Isles are. The Coyotes arena and venue situation is worse than the Isles was and they still found a way to consistently ice a competitive team. If the Isles were competently managed, this "rebuild" wouldn't be stuck in the mud the past few years. Its not the income and revenue that's got the rebuild bogged down in the mud. Its the competency of the folks running it.
- Jethro09


The Predators are NOT comparable to the Isles as they owner is one of the richest in the entire league. They are in a favorable lease situation since the building is not that old. No cop out...FACT.
The Coyotes had plenty of assets and players in th organization before their woes began. In addition, they've had the NHL picking up their financial tabs for several years now, a luxury the isles have not had. None of those situations are comparable.
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