Idt Garth is the problem
- Danformo

I don't blame last night on Garth. Last night goes on Cappy IMO. Scratching Cizikas and playing Boulton for a team already short on high energy players was mind boggling. Then the team comes out flat for what some consider the greatest rivalry in sports!! This team always starts slow, panics in tight situations and makes oddball gametime roster decisions. That all falls on coaching. I'm really not big on Weight becoming our next coach, but why not give him a 30 game audition for the job by dumping off a guy that's shown us NOTHING thus far as headcoach.

Didn't read through the comments but as stated everywhere, this doesn't affect the Isles from a team or fan perspective one bit (unless TT trolls the Isles, plays a game and vanishes which ain't happening). But my question is, as a fan base, is it frustrating that your front office is that cheap (may not be the right word) that they are actually performing a cap circumvention to get above the floor to put the cheapest team out there in terms of real $? That combined with the fact that in the short pre-season they picked everyone and their mother off waivers.

Is this going to change once they go to Brooklyn? Essentially using their $20M in cap space to make a huge splah with the move to Brooklyn liek the Nets wanted to do but couldn't? I for one would be pretty frustrated by the trade simply because it shows the kind of mentallity ownership has.

The difference in the game is that the Rangers out-skated, outworked, and outplayed the Islanders. It wasn't any one play. That was the poorest team effort so far this season.
- UIF

...to think, if only they outwitted, they also would have won Survivor!!

i agree with everything here...

amac is not that great...id deal him if the return is right.
hickey looked pretty good last night, not sure why anyone was getting on him.
finley had no business being on this team and considering he was on the ice for less than 8 minutes, its clear the team thinks of him as useless as well.

streit blows nuts, and needs to go now before other teams realize this.
same with KO.
the all wussy line of KO, Neilson, Grabner is really tough to watch...
the 3rd line was fun while it lasted but aucoin and mcdonalod are awful...i love ullstrom
the 4th line is equally terrible outside of martin...goes without saying but CC needs to play.


changes are acomin'
- LetsGoIsles

I really hope so. I agree about Amac and pretty much everyone else. I do like Grabner this year. Aucoin really fell back. I'm a big Ullstrom fan and Martin fan.

Didn't read through the comments but as stated everywhere, this doesn't affect the Isles from a team or fan perspective one bit (unless TT trolls the Isles, plays a game and vanishes which ain't happening). But my question is, as a fan base, is it frustrating that your front office is that cheap (may not be the right word) that they are actually performing a cap circumvention to get above the floor to put the cheapest team out there in terms of real $? That combined with the fact that in the short pre-season they picked everyone and their mother off waivers.

Is this going to change once they go to Brooklyn? Essentially using their $20M in cap space to make a huge splah with the move to Brooklyn liek the Nets wanted to do but couldn't? I for one would be pretty frustrated by the trade simply because it shows the kind of mentallity ownership has.
- mrhattrick27

I think everyone is clearly frustrated as well as embarrased by it. That said, I also recognize that ultimately it may serve as use to allow us to unload players sooner than later. Maybe Garth learned a lesson with PA last year and will be more aggressive in getting a return for players that aren't perceived as key pieces in our future. Viz and Streit are highly valued but both soon to be UFA's and in their mid 30's. I would think unless we're deeply entrenched in the playoff picture, both should be dealt. That's a lot of salary to come off the books so for that reason, Thomas would serve a purpose. Bare in mind, we could toll his contract like we did with Nabby and hold him over for next year too. If we deal Nabby at the deadline, we suddenly have Thomas in the wings.

But thats the problem. Every Godd*mn seasons this team is looking to dump at the deadline instead of add. At year six, we should be adding at the deadline, not looking to dump. Its ridiculous that we even have to entertain trading Streit, Visnovsky or Nabby in year six of a rebuild. We should be thinking of adding players to the roster for a playoff run, not moving vets for more f**king draft picks/prospects. This contemplation is proof positive that this "rebuild" is in shambles and not being handled well.
- Jethro09

dude, it was a terrible game and the team has a lot work on but relax...they are in 10th place after 10 games...season isnt over yet

im not saying they are going to win the cup (they wont win the cup and they may not make the playoffs)...but they lost 3 in a row, its not the end of the world...they can make a few trades, get back on course and win a few in a row also...

im happy that cappy is pissed...i dont like the guy but he is what we have right now.

I think everyone is clearly frustrated as well as embarrased by it. That said, I also recognize that ultimately it may serve as use to allow us to unload players sooner than later. Maybe Garth learned a lesson with PA last year and will be more aggressive in getting a return for players that aren't perceived as key pieces in our future. Viz and Streit are highly valued but both soon to be UFA's and in their mid 30's. I would think unless we're deeply entrenched in the playoff picture, both should be dealt. That's a lot of salary to come off the books so for that reason, Thomas would serve a purpose. Bare in mind, we could toll his contract like we did with Nabby and hold him over for next year too. If we deal Nabby at the deadline, we suddenly have Thomas in the wings.
- keaner17

That actually makes sense if he does that. If you are out of it by the deadline and can jettison those players and really add a lot of picks to the hopper that you otherwise couldn't as you'd be below the floor after those moves then this move in hinesight will actually look really good.

The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why the conditional pick is a 2nd rounder? What if thomas plays a game and thats it? (Hypothetical). Boston woulda traded him for free just to get him off the books so why did Garth have to put a 2nd roudner at risk? Was that just so it looks like a hockey move rather than an exchangign of cap space?

Also the bolded part. Ain't happening man, he will never play a game for the isles.

You can order the teams however you'd like, but if you take the Isles orange/blue goggles off, one can clearly see that the Rangers are a far better team and far better run organization than the Isles are. Lets not forget, the Rangers were putrid before the last lockout. Seven years of no playoffs. The 04-05 season is lost and the Rangers have built a contender in the time since. The Isles? They've had one playoff season and about seven bottom five finishes since the 04-05 lockout. JT Miller pumps in two goals last night. KO is still tripping over every blue line he crosses and brings nothing to the table. I hate the Rangers, but I can't deny that they are a far better team and far better run organization than the Isles are.
- Jethro09

i cant imagine anyone would dispute that...

cappy needs to show more fire and start sitting people who aren't performing.

Streit - completely lazy going back for the puck on the pp. Other forwards on the PP watching the rangers attacking and not giving streit an outlet pass so it continually gets dumped up and down the boards.

The thing that burns me is that the PP is 0 for 19 now in 3 games and with chances to make a difference in a game, we continue to go with exactly the same breakout (streit moves up slowly, nielson circles and passes him with speed and takes the feed and moves into the zone) This is not difficult to defend against when it's the same thing every time. It's not difficult to defend against when the players on the PP seem to think they have infinite amounts of time rather than two minutes.

The lack of drive, fire and urgency with this team is why we continually go into long slides each year after a decent start. They get complacent and with no roster moves they know they can take their foot off the gas and coast.

This is why a major move is needed to shake this up. Now that LV is back, trade Streit. Shock the poop out of the team and wake them up. Call up Donovan, waive finley and reasoner, slot in bailey and donovan, sit okposo. Shake this up while we still have a shot.

Nabby looks gassed already and the team defense continually allows too much room rather than challenge the opposing forwards. We react rather than push forward and this is why this losing streak will continue.

The Streit must go group has been getting larger.
- ses111

love live the group!!!!!

I'd love to call myself the founder of that since I've been saying it since early last year, but I think I may have had some company.
I don't see dealing Streit as a sell off move but rather a sell high before the rest of the league realizes what he actually is. The problem is, we're not presently deep enough on defense to lose him even with the addition of Viz. But if Viz can play at a decent level, Streit should become #4 at best.
- keaner17

i wanted him gone last deadline as well...but that went to the backburner with nabby and pap being the center of attention....we could have gotten some decent quality for Streit last year with another year left on his contract, oh well!!!

Plain and simple... Cappy needs to go.
How do you not show up for ur biggest rival???

The only players that dont deserve laps are JT and Ullstrom... Everyone else looks really bad... Grabner needs to learn how to do a simple deke and how to lift the puck... Mcdonald need to go, If Aucoin isnt winning faceoffs then he is completely useless... AMAC is fine but he is getting exposed because he is playing nearly 25-30mins a game and he isnt a top pair dman... Streit looks so good at times and then looks completely lost (on PP with Callahan pushing him around, just looked aweful)... Nabby needs to stop both of Millers goals, both were weak. KO needs to leave and he can bring Mcdonald, Finley, Boulton, Reasoner, and a few others with him... Hell ill buy the bus tickets for them.

Changes are needed but probably wont come...

I don't blame last night on Garth. Last night goes on Cappy IMO. Scratching Cizikas and playing Boulton for a team already short on high energy players was mind boggling. Then the team comes out flat for what some consider the greatest rivalry in sports!! This team always starts slow, panics in tight situations and makes oddball gametime roster decisions. That all falls on coaching. I'm really not big on Weight becoming our next coach, but why not give him a 30 game audition for the job by dumping off a guy that's shown us NOTHING thus far as headcoach.
- keaner17

and considering boulton was in there for only 1 purpose, and he failed doing it, that move is even more of a head-scratcher. i bet torts told his guys, whoever fights boulton will be benched next game...basically canceling out boulton from the game.

Losing streak predictions?
- mighty13duck

starts tomorrow....?

That actually makes sense if he does that. If you are out of it by the deadline and can jettison those players and really add a lot of picks to the hopper that you otherwise couldn't as you'd be below the floor after those moves then this move in hinesight will actually look really good.

The one thing I can't wrap my head around is why the conditional pick is a 2nd rounder? What if thomas plays a game and thats it? (Hypothetical). Boston woulda traded him for free just to get him off the books so why did Garth have to put a 2nd roudner at risk? Was that just so it looks like a hockey move rather than an exchangign of cap space?

Also the bolded part. Ain't happening man, he will never play a game for the isles.
- mrhattrick27

I agree, he won't play a game for the Isles this year at least. for that reason, the 2nd rd pick won't be a factor. However, if we do trade Nabby by the deadline along with Viz and Streit, we have more picks to trade for a salary dump player in the offseason and if Thomas wants to play at all next year he'd have no choice but to come in. That immediately makes the 2nd rounder worth losing (IMO). In addition, we could approach a team at the deadline for a second rounder and only lose a few spaces in the draft while allowing ourselves cap flexability through the season. There's plenty of possibilities. I'm not saying I like it, but we didn't throw the pick away (IMO).

and considering boulton was in there for only 1 purpose, and he failed doing it, that move is even more of a head-scratcher. i bet torts told his guys, whoever fights boulton will be benched next game...basically canceling out boulton from the game.
- LetsGoIsles

As an undertalented team, the Isles should be concentrating far more on matching hockey skills than brut force. Even if Boulton obliterated someone last night, I'd rather have the impact of Cizaks playing than a few minutes of chest thumping time.

i cant imagine anyone would dispute that...
- LetsGoIsles

JT Miller, picked 15th overall a year later, has the same NHL goal total in 2 games as Nino, selected the year before. Took Miller 2 games...Nino, 64.

We get Bailey, Okposo and DeHaan with first rounders...they get Miller, Kreider, Del Zotto.

Would you trade our 3 for their 3? I would.

The game for tomorrow is probably postponed due to blizzard reports that will contain possible 2 ft of snow yay! at least we won't lose tomorrow! hurrah! It is time to trade Okposo, Streit, Reasoner, and anyone who stinks.

Time to make this lineup Garth!

Moulson/Tavares/Nino
Bailey/Nielsen/Boyes
Ullstrom/Cizikas/Martin
Mcdonald/Aucoin/Boulton

Hamonic/Macdonald
Visnoysky/Donovan
HIckey/Ness

starts tomorrow....?
- Mr.Black

I actually think they come out flying tomorrow. I just don't see anyway they can sleepwalk a game after a flat performance against their biggest rivals. This team should be getting a mudhole stomped into them after last night.

The game for tomorrow is probably postponed due to blizzard reports that will contain possible 2 ft of snow yay! at least we won't lose tomorrow! hurrah! It is time to trade Okposo, Streit, Reasoner, and anyone who stinks.

Time to make this lineup Garth!

Moulson/Tavares/Nino
Bailey/Nielsen/Grabner
Ullstrom/Cizikas/Boyes
Mcdonald/Aucoin/Martin

Hamonic/Macdonald
Visnoysky/Donovan
HIckey/Ness
- ISLES1119

JT Miller, picked 15th overall a year later, has the same NHL goal total in 2 games as Nino, selected the year before. Took Miller 2 games...Nino, 64.

We get Bailey, Okposo and DeHaan with first rounders...they get Miller, Kreider, Del Zotto.

Would you trade our 3 for their 3? I would.


- Charlie21

Id take Bailey over Miller, Kreider over Okposo and Del Zotto over DeHaan... Although DeHaan is a wild card cuz he cant stay healthy... He could be a Del Zotto type player... But then again its an Isles pick so prob not

cappy needs to show more fire and start sitting people who aren't performing.

Streit - completely lazy going back for the puck on the pp. Other forwards on the PP watching the rangers attacking and not giving streit an outlet pass so it continually gets dumped up and down the boards.

The thing that burns me is that the PP is 0 for 19 now in 3 games and with chances to make a difference in a game, we continue to go with exactly the same breakout (streit moves up slowly, nielson circles and passes him with speed and takes the feed and moves into the zone) This is not difficult to defend against when it's the same thing every time. It's not difficult to defend against when the players on the PP seem to think they have infinite amounts of time rather than two minutes.

The lack of drive, fire and urgency with this team is why we continually go into long slides each year after a decent start. They get complacent and with no roster moves they know they can take their foot off the gas and coast.

This is why a major move is needed to shake this up. Now that LV is back, trade Streit. Shock the poop out of the team and wake them up. Call up Donovan, waive finley and reasoner, slot in bailey and donovan, sit okposo. Shake this up while we still have a shot.

Nabby looks gassed already and the team defense continually allows too much room rather than challenge the opposing forwards. We react rather than push forward and this is why this losing streak will continue.
- Isles_since_6

Hard to argue with these points. Nabby does looked gassed. This is where having Poulin as backup would have been great Some type of shake up is a must before next game.

Yep that is my point. Casey is a better fit on the third and with guys like Strome and Nelson on the way is Frans really a fit? Why not at least see what he can bring back if he has all this value?
- ses111

Who is to say he hasn't?

You have no idea if he has had talks about anyone on the roster. So can you please stop bltching that Snow wont even see what he can get for Franz, when if he has or when he does we wont know it unless of course he gets traded.


XxNYIxX

Who is to say he hasn't?

You have no idea if he has had talks about anyone on the roster. So can you please stop bltching that Snow wont even see what he can get for Franz, when if he has or when he does we wont know it unless of course he gets traded.


XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Calm down Garth I mean X. I'm sorry I even said Bossy I mean Frans should be traded.

As an undertalented team, the Isles should be concentrating far more on matching hockey skills than brut force. Even if Boulton obliterated someone last night, I'd rather have the impact of Cizaks playing than a few minutes of chest thumping time.
- keaner17

im not disputing that at all...BUT he was put in there for his physical presence and couldnt find a dance partner...CC needed to be in there.

not saying they would have won, but the kid deserves it.