Actually, it's not that dire. It definitely makes things a little tighter, but it's worakble, without buyouts
- Jsaquella

If Homer buys out Danny I will be extremely pissed off. He is a big part of this group, and helps leads the kids. Also need him for the PP for now.
When Schenn, Couts, G contracts are up, then go for it, buy him out or trade him.

It would be difficult to make it under. If Jake doesn't smarten up (he has as of past 2 games) then he could be out.
This is going to be a very interesting offseason. I expect a Tom of trades and buyouts
While I'm not thrilled with 6M, he IS the most important, AND best dman on this team. People who say they wouldn't be upset if w let him go would be eating their words extremely quickly.
To me, he is the smartest dman in the NHl now Without Lidstrom.

I'd just like to remind everyone that Hartnells deal was "reported" at 5.75-6M, and it ended up being 4.75
Just sayi, it is Ek... I'm not believing anyone until the big guns (Dreger, Bob, etc) say the terms

Last.

Inane, insane, or maybe both.

-Da Man

If the price is right, its damn high. It is what it is however, and that should be a glimpse of just how valuable good d-men are.

I like the move personally. Without a guy like Kimmo the back end loses a lot of veteran experience. I think a guy like Schenn will really benefit from any extra time he gets to learn from Timonen.

Even as of today the Flyers need to bring in another d-man who is already established as an above average player, or a guy with star potential. If the Flyers lost Timonen they would need to bring in two d-men.

Checkout the Flyers representatives lol:


http://sportsillustrated....ckey/nhl/stats/index.html

If Homer buys out Danny I will be extremely pissed off. He is a big part of this group, and helps leads the kids. Also need him for the PP for now.
When Schenn, Couts, G contracts are up, then go for it, buy him out or trade him.

It would be difficult to make it under. If Jake doesn't smarten up (he has as of past 2 games) then he could be out.
This is going to be a very interesting offseason. I expect a Tom of trades and buyouts
While I'm not thrilled with 6M, he IS the most important, AND best dman on this team. People who say they wouldn't be upset if w let him go would be eating their words extremely quickly.
To me, he is the smartest dman in the NHl now Without Lidstrom.
- FLYERSROCK!

It's not that terrible. Right now, the Flyers are not using LTIR exemptions at all and have just under $1.6mm in cap space.

That includes Jody Shelley, Matt Walker, Andreas Lilja and Brian Boucher($50K)

Prior to Timonen's new contract kicking in, the Flyers had $8,225,119 in cap space. Adding Timonen, that's down to $2.25mm. However, the Flyers wouldn't have many open rosters slots to fill with that money.

They have eleven forwards who will probably have spots(including Laughton), 7 defensemen and Bryzgalov under contract, which means they'd need to add a couple forwards and backup goalie. They could simply keep Sestito and Rinaldo to round out the forward group for under $1.5mm and add a cheap backup.

That figure doesn't include buyouts or using the LTIR exemption. Also, there's a bonus cushion in place, which could allow them to defer bonuses to 2014-15, when the cap is likely to rise. Assume that Pronger goes on LTIR, giving them even more space to fit guys if need be.

It's going to be tight, but certainly workable.

It's not that terrible. Right now, the Flyers are not using LTIR exemptions at all and have just under $1.6mm in cap space.

That includes Jody Shelley, Matt Walker, Andreas Lilja and Brian Boucher($50K)

Prior to Timonen's new contract kicking in, the Flyers had $8,225,119 in cap space. Adding Timonen, that's down to $2.25mm. However, the Flyers wouldn't have many open rosters slots to fill with that money.

They have eleven forwards who will probably have spots(including Laughton), 7 defensemen and Bryzgalov under contract, which means they'd need to add a couple forwards and backup goalie. They could simply keep Sestito and Rinaldo to round out the forward group for under $1.5mm and add a cheap backup.

That figure doesn't include buyouts or using the LTIR exemption. Also, there's a bonus cushion in place, which could allow them to defer bonuses to 2014-15, when the cap is likely to rise. Assume that Pronger goes on LTIR, giving them even more space to fit guys if need be.

It's going to be tight, but certainly workable.
- Jsaquella

Nothing we haven't seen before, that's for damn sure. The Flyers always work close to the ceiling.

Also, that sounds like a good night

Nothing we haven't seen before, that's for damn sure. The Flyers always work close to the ceiling.

Also, that sounds like a good night
- Giroux_Is_God

I'd rather they not use Pronger's LTIR exemption, but it's there if need be.

It's not that terrible. Right now, the Flyers are not using LTIR exemptions at all and have just under $1.6mm in cap space.

That includes Jody Shelley, Matt Walker, Andreas Lilja and Brian Boucher($50K)

Prior to Timonen's new contract kicking in, the Flyers had $8,225,119 in cap space. Adding Timonen, that's down to $2.25mm. However, the Flyers wouldn't have many open rosters slots to fill with that money.

They have eleven forwards who will probably have spots(including Laughton), 7 defensemen and Bryzgalov under contract, which means they'd need to add a couple forwards and backup goalie. They could simply keep Sestito and Rinaldo to round out the forward group for under $1.5mm and add a cheap backup.

That figure doesn't include buyouts or using the LTIR exemption. Also, there's a bonus cushion in place, which could allow them to defer bonuses to 2014-15, when the cap is likely to rise. Assume that Pronger goes on LTIR, giving them even more space to fit guys if need be.

It's going to be tight, but certainly workable.
- Jsaquella

I'd be more than okay the team using Boucher as the back-up for what its worth.

I still think Holmgren will try to improve the D. I dont think he was truly happy going into this season with this current group, and I see him trying to bring someone in. Hopefully a young guy with star potential. If there is one to be found.

My biggest thing with Kimmo's contract is that it takes away from the ability of the team to target a guy like Perry or Getzlaf is they become available, or at the very least makes it harder. As much as the Flyers need to upgrade the back end I would also not feel comfortable heading into next season with the same forward group.

It will be an interesting summer for sure, and I could see myself being alright with sitting still and letting whatever picks are drafted develop if no realistic trades are available.

There was no reason to get this done now if its not being done on the cheap. Kimmo is fading fast in my eyes. Next season shouldn't have been decided until we see what he was capable and not capable of this year.

I'd be more than okay the team using Boucher as the back-up for what its worth.

I still think Holmgren will try to improve the D. I dont think he was truly happy going into this season with this current group, and I see him trying to bring someone in. Hopefully a young guy with star potential. If there is one to be found.

My biggest thing with Kimmo's contract is that it takes away from the ability of the team to target a guy like Perry or Getzlaf is they become available, or at the very least makes it harder. As much as the Flyers need to upgrade the back end I would also not feel comfortable heading into next season with the same forward group.

It will be an interesting summer for sure, and I could see myself being alright with sitting still and letting whatever picks are drafted develop if no realistic trades are available.
- flyer_nutter

I'd be OK with the same group of forwards, just because I think that when the sophomore slumps are done with, we're going to be happy to have both Couturier and Schenn here. I also think that when everyone is healthy and ready to go, the Flyers have a nice deep set of forwards, with a decent mix.

It'd be great to have an out and out sniper to play with Giroux, but there's always the possibility of a trade.

I think what it really means is that Holmgren shopped hard for a trade and found nothing he was willing to pull the trigger on. He keeps Timonen, who actually posted almost identical stats last year to the numbers he posted in his first year as a Flyer, a good veteran defenseman with smarts and leadership and avoids having to overpay a guy like Hainsey in both money and years.

There was no reason to get this done now if its not being done on the cheap. Kimmo is fading fast in my eyes. Next season shouldn't have been decided until we see what he was capable and not capable of this year.
- hereticpride

I do agree with that. While I do like the deal to keep him around for one more year, even if the contract is not that great I dont really see the harm in waiting at least a couple of months to see how he holds up.

The guy has set up his family in Philly and I dont think he would leave super quickly. Who knows though, its a safety blanket move by Holmgren imo.

There was no reason to get this done now if its not being done on the cheap. Kimmo is fading fast in my eyes. Next season shouldn't have been decided until we see what he was capable and not capable of this year.
- hereticpride

Not sure he's really fading. Sure he's not as good as he was at 32, but now that he's knocked the rust off, he's been close to his old self the last couple games. He was one of the Flyers best skaters in Tuesday's game.

That said, I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do believe if he hit FA, he would have gotten at least the same, if not a bit more, just because the FA market is so shallow.

EDIT: my worry here is that not paying Timonen ends up meaning they'd pay A Hainsey or Vishnovsky a lot of money or having to give Hainsey a long term deal.

Not sure he's really fading. Sure he's not as good as he was at 32, but now that he's knocked the rust off, he's been close to his old self the last couple games. He was one of the Flyers best skaters in Tuesday's game.

That said, I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do believe if he hit FA, he would have gotten at least the same, if not a bit more, just because the FA market is so shallow.
- Jsaquella

Quick question Jsaq.

What is your view long term on the team? If they go with the plan to let the kids develop AND any D they draft to develop how does that go along with Bryzgalov's age?

He isn't old currently, but will not be getting any younger. I kind of have a weird vibe the young kids will all hit their prime but by that time Bryzgalov will be fading.

Not sure he's really fading. Sure he's not as good as he was at 32, but now that he's knocked the rust off, he's been close to his old self the last couple games. He was one of the Flyers best skaters in Tuesday's game.

That said, I'm not crazy about the cost, but I do believe if he hit FA, he would have gotten at least the same, if not a bit more, just because the FA market is so shallow.

EDIT: my worry here is that not paying Timonen ends up meaning they'd pay A Hainsey or Vishnovsky a lot of money or having to give Hainsey a long term deal.
- Jsaquella

The team is young. If we were built for a cup and our window was the next three years then I'm all about this deal. We're not though. It just doesnt make a ton of sense. Kimmo wouldn't listen to us after the season?

For Kimmo, for one more year we might have just priced ourselves out of a shot at Perry for multiple years.

The team is young. If we were built for a cup and our window was the next three years then I'm all about this deal. We're not though. It just doesnt make a ton of sense. Kimmo wouldn't listen to us after the season?

For Kimmo, for one more year we might have just priced ourselves out of a shot at Perry for multiple years.
- hereticpride

Definately.

I understand Holmgren to a degree, the team could be left even worse next season if Timonen went the route of Carle.

Perry, as much as I would love him, may not even hit FA. If he does, I'd throw the kitchen sink at the guy. Him or Getzlaf.

Quick question Jsaq.

What is your view long term on the team? If they go with the plan to let the kids develop AND any D they draft to develop how does that go along with Bryzgalov's age?

He isn't old currently, but will not be getting any younger. I kind of have a weird vibe the young kids will all hit their prime but by that time Bryzgalov will be fading.
- flyer_nutter

Bryz isn't that old, and based on his style, he shouldn't see a big drop off in play for awhile.

That's the thing with younger forwards, they're usually hitting their strides in 3 or 4 years. Look at Giroux, Richards, Carter and Simmonds-all had fairly big steps forward in their third or fourth seasons, and that is what the Flyers seem to be counting on.

The defense isn't young, but there already seem to be tweaks to help make up for the lack of mobility. I think we see the team adapt to play more like they did against Tampa-clog lanes and make sure that everyone is working hard in all 3 zones to limit to transition game from getting away from them.

Of course, we could actually see a trade for Bobby Ryan

The team is young. If we were built for a cup and our window was the next three years then I'm all about this deal. We're not though. It just doesnt make a ton of sense. Kimmo wouldn't listen to us after the season?

For Kimmo, for one more year we might have just priced ourselves out of a shot at Perry for multiple years.
- hereticpride

The forwards are young. The defense and goalie aren't. Forwards tend to develop sooner than defensemen.

Bryz isn't that old, and based on his style, he shouldn't see a big drop off in play for awhile.

That's the thing with younger forwards, they're usually hitting their strides in 3 or 4 years. Look at Giroux, Richards, Carter and Simmonds-all had fairly big steps forward in their third or fourth seasons, and that is what the Flyers seem to be counting on.

The defense isn't young, but there already seem to be tweaks to help make up for the lack of mobility. I think we see the team adapt to play more like they did against Tampa-clog lanes and make sure that everyone is working hard in all 3 zones to limit to transition game from getting away from them.

Of course, we could actually see a trade for Bobby Ryan
- Jsaquella

I want nothing to do with Ryan.

I want nothing to do with Ryan.
- flyer_nutter

I'm not anti-Ryan, he's a good player, but there's people here that act like he'd come in and turn into Stamkos.

I'm not anti-Ryan, he's a good player, but there's people here that act like he'd come in and turn into Stamkos.
- Jsaquella

I was anti J-Bow.
Anti Kovalchuk.

I am anti Ryan.

I'd honestly prefer to take a shot at Iginla in UFA instead of Ryan through a trade.

I was anti J-Bow.
Anti Kovalchuk.

I am anti Ryan.

I'd honestly prefer to take a shot at Iginla in UFA instead of Ryan through a trade.
- flyer_nutter

I'd still target a defenseman first.

Jagr with a dart to beat the Oil in OT. Sigh...

Jagr with a dart to beat the Oil in OT. Sigh...
- BringBack25

I wish we were able to keep him, just for one more season.

I wish we were able to keep him, just for one more season.
- BulliesPhan87

I was really hoping he'd sign here for one more too. Beyond the scoring, I think they miss a lot of what he brought to the team. Knuble should help with that a little (not the scoring), but he doesn't have quite the same level of influence as a guy like Jagr.