this.

There is also the payback factor. Rinaldo and the Flyers were upset with Crombeen going after Giroux last game. It was just a matter of time until some payback was given.
- FlyerGuy

You think Giroux won't be open game if they go after Vinny next game. Dumb move to put the top guys in the line of fire like that let the 80 IQ guys do it. Too bad we don't have any you guys got them all.

You think Giroux won't be open game if they go after Vinny next game. Dumb move to put the top guys in the line of fire like that let the 80 IQ guys do it. Too bad we don't have any you guys got them all.
- tpd11

I highly doubt any Flyers would go after Vinny next game based on that fight. It's a world of difference between what he did and the antics of Crombeen from last game.

I highly doubt any Flyers would go after Vinny next game based on that fight. It's a world of difference between what he did and the antics of Crombeen from last game.
- FlyerGuy

Crombeen got his clock cleaned but the extra was what Vinny was replying too. We don't need him getting taken off the ice for lesser players that's for sure.

I love the hypocrisy from the Philly boys mad that Vinny threw a late on on talbot. He's just showing that both sides can do that crap. Good game too bad for the loss to an (right now anyway) inferior team. Don't worry boys you weren't the first nor will you be the last ones to get mugged in S Philly by a couple of guys with names ending in o .
- tpd11

Sure would love to see these teams play with the Flyers close to healthy... Two first line wingers out, top 4 dman out. That glove save by Bryz was pretty amazing.

Im not sure why everyone is crying about the fights.. You could certainly say Vinnys looked worse then Rinaldos or you could just say you have people fighting and things happen . I love all the people that sit here and say , "Rinaldo should have stopped " or "Lecalvier is dirty for that last punch" As if all of us arm chair players would have the control to think about a situation like that and just stop on a dime. What I know is Rinaldo knocked Crombeen out and Lecalvier got the last punch over Talbot.. That's about all I take away from those two fights, nothing nefarious or horrible from either.

I really hope the next couple of games between these 2 don't turn into bloodbaths. Any time you can get Stamkos, Giroux, St. Louis, Vinny, Briere others out there its too much talent to turn into the ECW.

Good on Vinney for having such a resurgence this year I hope he continues his play. I love to watch this guy play with an edge. Seems to me he is a very complete player this year. All he did was set a tone for the next game and if I know Vinney he's gonna hurt them on the scoreboard while Phili runs around like a bunch of goons. In fairness both punches were late (one more than the other) but Lecavaliers was done with motive and was meant to make a point. I think it did everyone got it. Will he be getting a phone call maybe. Will he lose any time for it, I doubt it. I look forward to the next time they meet.

Good on Vinney for having such a resurgence this year I hope he continues his play. I love to watch this guy play with an edge. Seems to me he is a very complete player this year. All he did was set a tone for the next game and if I know Vinney he's gonna hurt them on the scoreboard while Phili runs around like a bunch of goons. In fairness both punches were late (one more than the other) but Lecavaliers was done with motive and was meant to make a point. I think it did everyone got it. Will he be getting a phone call maybe. Will he lose any time for it, I doubt it. I look forward to the next time they meet.
- thundachunk

That's cute, "runs around like goons" ..
Not really sure how you can say that's applicable of any Flyers team over the past 5-10 years.

Sorry, saying Rinaldo was also wrong is a lame attempt at trying to justify what Viny did. Rinaldo was throwing punches as Crombeen was falling. Guys continue to throw all the time in such a manner, as lots of guys often catch themselves and remain in the fight and work their way back up to a strong stance.

Vinny blatantly punched Talbot while he was flat on his back and the fight was over. Not comparable to what Zac did nor is it debatable. They even showed Rinaldo during the broadcast immediately coming out before the start of the 2nd saying to the ref "Hey, I wasn't trying to hit a downed player, he was still falling, I'm not like that". The ref, who I believe was Kelly Sutherland, agreed. Zac even tried to explain the same thing to PCL.

So while I understand Vinnys frustration, a Captain doesn't do that. It's not defendable even if Zac went out of his way to continue to beat Crombeens face in.

Bryz was the best player for either team in this game IMO. I thought Lindback was good, not great. Corey Conacher is the favorite for the Calder IMO, he was EVERYWHERE.

That also might have been Couteriers best game of the season
- mochoson

I love it when fans of imaginary teams comment thinking they know WTF is going on. Hey jackass, go jump on your own team thread, oh wait you don't have one.

That's cute, "runs around like goons" ..
Not really sure how you can say that's applicable of any Flyers team over the past 5-10 years.
- opeth_pa

I just put that in to stir the pot. I can't honestly say that either team have any goons right now. One player on Phili is IMO a goon type player. He does not play right now so its not worth mentioning. As for the last 5 to 10 years yes the has been goon type players on the flyers. I don't believe you can form an un-bias opinion on that one. Carcillo??? Thats just one. You could argue that one but I don't think anyone will back you up on him.

I love it when fans of imaginary teams comment thinking they know WTF is going on. Hey jackass, go jump on your own team thread, oh wait you don't have one.

- Artyukhin76

Sooo I come on this thread and type all that about the Flyers, and you think I'm a Thrashers fan.

That's cute. Thank you for that.

I just put that in to stir the pot. I can't honestly say that either team have any goons right now. One player on Phili is IMO a goon type player. He does not play right now so its not worth mentioning. As for the last 5 to 10 years yes the has been goon type players on the flyers. I don't believe you can form an un-bias opinion on that one. Carcillo??? Thats just one. You could argue that one but I don't think anyone will back you up on him.
- thundachunk

No doubt Carcillo was a goon but over that same time the Bolts had some goons also I am sure.

Thats a big difference than the perception of a team running around like goons..

Though I will say that first round matchup with the Pens last year was pretty goonish but damn entertaining.

No doubt Carcillo was a goon but over that same time the Bolts had some goons also I am sure.

Thats a big difference than the perception of a team running around like goons..

Though I will say that first round matchup with the Pens last year was pretty goonish but damn entertaining.
- opeth_pa

Pronger and Carcillo were named in the top 5 NHL dirtiest players Downie who also once played for Phili also in top 10. I should leave this alone because the current team has changed the attitude and dynamic of the team. Your former GM is also one all time dirtiest players in NHL history. Who if I'm not mistaken also brought these players in. Yes the mentality has changed but to say you have had no goons on your team in the last 5 years is a laughable.

Sooo I come on this thread and type all that about the Flyers, and you think I'm a Thrashers fan.

That's cute. Thank you for that.
- mochoson

There is a magic little line below your Hockeybuzz sign-in that says "Atlanta Thrashers" Soooo yeah, you're welcome . Now go away.

Vinny was incredible? How is punching a smaller player you picked a fight with while he's down incredible?

The Rinaldo hit wasn't late. He was mic'd up for the game and even asked the ref who very clearly said it was a clean fight.
- hereticpride

That Rinaldo punch was BEYOND cheap. It was a late, dangerous punch that directly contracdicts any written or unwritten code in the hockey book. Not surprised a Flyer fan would say it was clean and Lecavalier's dirty. His late punch on Talbot was absolutely a response to that BS, dirty - and considerably more powerful, direct shot - Rinaldo dished out. I wish my teams captain would do that as opposed to hiding from Hartnell and then trying to act tough with B. Schenn.

That Rinaldo punch was BEYOND cheap. It was a late, dangerous punch that directly contracdicts any written or unwritten code in the hockey book. Not surprised a Flyer fan would say it was clean and Lecavalier's dirty. His late punch on Talbot was absolutely a response to that BS, dirty - and considerably more powerful, direct shot - Rinaldo dished out. I wish my teams captain would do that as opposed to hiding from Hartnell and then trying to act tough with B. Schenn.
- Deeps27

Not even close to the reality of what happened. The Rinaldo punch happened as the player was going down unlike the Vinny punch which happend with a player flat on his back.

I also just want to see if I follow your logic..Vinny's was dirty but it was ok because it was in retaliation?

Sorry, saying Rinaldo was also wrong is a lame attempt at trying to justify what Viny did. Rinaldo was throwing punches as Crombeen was falling. Guys continue to throw all the time in such a manner, as lots of guys often catch themselves and remain in the fight and work their way back up to a strong stance.

Vinny blatantly punched Talbot while he was flat on his back and the fight was over. Not comparable to what Zac did nor is it debatable. They even showed Rinaldo during the broadcast immediately coming out before the start of the 2nd saying to the ref "Hey, I wasn't trying to hit a downed player, he was still falling, I'm not like that". The ref, who I believe was Kelly Sutherland, agreed. Zac even tried to explain the same thing to PCL.

So while I understand Vinnys frustration, a Captain doesn't do that. It's not defendable even if Zac went out of his way to continue to beat Crombeens face in.

Bryz was the best player for either team in this game IMO. I thought Lindback was good, not great. Corey Conacher is the favorite for the Calder IMO, he was EVERYWHERE.

That also might have been Couteriers best game of the season
- mochoson

You completely missed the part where I said Vinny is completely in the wrong?

I've said time and time again that Vinny's punch was wrong just as I said Rinaldo's punch was wrong. See, I'm willing to be objective. Now take off your Flyers colored glasses and admit that your player did something wrong, Flyers fans. I did it. Feels good.

I've said time and time again that Vinny's punch was wrong just as I said Rinaldo's punch was wrong. See, I'm willing to be objective. Now take off your Flyers colored glasses and admit that your player did something wrong, Flyers fans. I did it. Feels good.
- Michael_Stuart

This was my initial post on this matter, "

Im not sure why everyone is crying about the fights.. You could certainly say Vinnys looked worse then Rinaldos or you could just say you have people fighting and things happen . I love all the people that sit here and say , "Rinaldo should have stopped " or "Lecalvier is dirty for that last punch" As if all of us arm chair players would have the control to think about a situation like that and just stop on a dime. What I know is Rinaldo knocked Crombeen out and Lecalvier got the last punch over Talbot.. That's about all I take away from those two fights, nothing nefarious or horrible from either"

I put both events on an even level .

This was my initial post on this matter, "

Im not sure why everyone is crying about the fights.. You could certainly say Vinnys looked worse then Rinaldos or you could just say you have people fighting and things happen . I love all the people that sit here and say , "Rinaldo should have stopped " or "Lecalvier is dirty for that last punch" As if all of us arm chair players would have the control to think about a situation like that and just stop on a dime. What I know is Rinaldo knocked Crombeen out and Lecalvier got the last punch over Talbot.. That's about all I take away from those two fights, nothing nefarious or horrible from either"

I put both events on an even level .
- opeth_pa

And while I don't agree, I respect that you had an objective analysis. My feeling is that both players should have stopped, but that's neither here nor there. Thanks for chiming in.

Not even close to the reality of what happened. The Rinaldo punch happened as the player was going down unlike the Vinny punch which happend with a player flat on his back.

I also just want to see if I follow your logic..Vinny's was dirty but it was ok because it was in retaliation?



- opeth_pa

Take off the orange tinged glasses; Rinaldo set the scene for what was considered to be acceptable actions RE fighting in this game - had Lecavalier done this to Talbot arbitrarily I would have called him out.

I hold guys who make a living fighting to a higher standard when it comes to cheap shots like this - I have seen on more than one occasion Colton Orr holding back from pummeling a guy who was at his mercy on the ground, whether he was mad about a previous incident or not. Colton Orr would eat Rinaldo's lunch if they squared off, but I can guarantee he has more respect for the code than this guy showed last night.

Live by the sword, die by the sword, and there is an instant that your screen shots don't capture where you could tell Lecavalier was going to let up, but said "Ah, screw it" and punched away. I don't condone that at all, but the second something becomes deemed acceptable in the field of battle it becomes the norm. I'd much prefer to see both fined for their actions last night so this does not become common place.

I love the fact that as Captain Vinnie said "not tonight" and responded in kind - he earned my respect as a leader, whether his methods were "right" or not.

Take off the orange tinged glasses; Rinaldo set the scene for what was considered to be acceptable actions RE fighting in this game - had Lecavalier done this to Talbot arbitrarily I would have called him out.

I hold guys who make a living fighting to a higher standard when it comes to cheap shots like this - I have seen on more than one occasion Colton Orr holding back from pummeling a guy who was at his mercy on the ground, whether he was mad about a previous incident or not. Colton Orr would eat Rinaldo's lunch if they squared off, but I can guarantee he has more respect for the code than this guy showed last night.

Live by the sword, die by the sword, and there is an instant that your screen shots don't capture where you could tell Lecavalier was going to let up, but said "Ah, screw it" and punched away. I don't condone that at all, but the second something becomes deemed acceptable in the field of battle it becomes the norm. I'd much prefer to see both fined for their actions last night so this does not become common place.

I love the fact that as Captain Vinnie said "not tonight" and responded in kind - he earned my respect as a leader, whether his methods were "right" or not.
- Deeps27

Well put I agree

Vinny was incredible? How is punching a smaller player you picked a fight with while he's down incredible?

The Rinaldo hit wasn't late. He was mic'd up for the game and even asked the ref who very clearly said it was a clean fight.
- hereticpride

lol

That Rinaldo punch was BEYOND cheap. It was a late, dangerous punch that directly contracdicts any written or unwritten code in the hockey book. Not surprised a Flyer fan would say it was clean and Lecavalier's dirty. His late punch on Talbot was absolutely a response to that BS, dirty - and considerably more powerful, direct shot - Rinaldo dished out. I wish my teams captain would do that as opposed to hiding from Hartnell and then trying to act tough with B. Schenn.
- Deeps27

BEYOND cheap? ban him for life!


seriously, people are just overreacting to this. BOTH plays were dirty. I personally would have preferred if Rinaldo had NOT thrown that last punch, but he did. There are dozens of fights every season that a player gets smoked while falling down. It probably looked even more dirty because it was a devastating punch.

Vinny's punch wasn't nearly as hard, but obviously premeditated, and probably a little bit later in his fight as Talbot was clearly on the ice.

TB fans can excuse Vinny because they say it was in retaliation for Rinaldo ... and Philly fans can excuse Rinaldo because they say it was in retaliation for the antics of Crombeen toward the Flyers best player last game. Both would be correct.

Either way, both players did something a bit dirty. Can we move on now?

Take off the orange tinged glasses; Rinaldo set the scene for what was considered to be acceptable actions RE fighting in this game - had Lecavalier done this to Talbot arbitrarily I would have called him out.

- Deeps27

It has nothing to do with orange tinged glasses, look at what my initial post was .
We are just going to disagree with the timing of the punches or which one was more acceptable.

BEYOND cheap? ban him for life!


seriously, people are just overreacting to this. BOTH plays were dirty. I personally would have preferred if Rinaldo had NOT thrown that last punch, but he did. There are dozens of fights every season that a player gets smoked while falling down. It probably looked even more dirty because it was a devastating punch.

Vinny's punch wasn't nearly as hard, but obviously premeditated, and probably a little bit later in his fight as Talbot was clearly on the ice.

TB fans can excuse Vinny because they say it was in retaliation for Rinaldo ... and Philly fans can excuse Rinaldo because they say it was in retaliation for the antics of Crombeen toward the Flyers best player last game. Both would be correct.

Either way, both players did something a bit dirty. Can we move on now?

- FlyerGuy

Yes. Please. I left any name calling out of the blog so we could avoid this whole charade, but alas, here we are. Both did something a bit dirty. Let's move on. Cheers to you.

You completely missed the part where I said Vinny is completely in the wrong?
- Michael_Stuart

No, I caught it just fine.