Miss Tool could u put Mr tool back on the computer...
- Fruitcakenipple

I fumbled that one pretty good.

I fumbled that one pretty good.
- systemtool

Steckel with an empty net.

The Sharks were genius in trading up so they could draft him.
- Two_For_Truth

They used the picks we gave them for Toskala to trade up didnt they ..

Yes, thank you. Completely forgot about Couture to be honest, wasn't even thinking him at all.
- systemtool

Knew you were not that stupid

Steckel with an empty net.
- Two_For_Truth

The worst part about that? I had the game over on proline. I figured Scrivens would be good for 2-3 easy and the Caps just plain suck keeping the puck out of their net. (frank)ing Steckel, I dont even know why hes playing.

They used the picks we gave them for Toskala to trade up didnt they ..
- LeafsFan64

That's right.

Jonathan Toews is amazing by the way.

Knew you were not that stupid
- jribout

There has been a lot of talk of Couturier today in potential deals posters have come up with, and then the Luongo to Philly for Couturier talk ... yeah..thats my excuse

That's right.

Jonathan Toews is amazing by the way.
- Two_For_Truth

I know. Unreal, when he beat Boyle and made him take a penalty and still almost scored on that breakaway on the penalty kill. Just awesome!

I know. Unreal, when he beat Boyle and made him take a penalty and still almost scored on that breakaway on the penalty kill. Just awesome!
- LeafsFan64

One day, maybe the Leafs will be blessed with a player that good to build a team around.

One day, maybe the Leafs will be blessed with a player that good to build a team around.
- Two_For_Truth

All we can do is hope.

One day, maybe the Leafs will be blessed with a player that good to build a team around.
- Two_For_Truth

But I'm out. Night sir!

One day, maybe the Leafs will be blessed with a player that good to build a team around.
- Two_For_Truth

Probably not this year, because they refuse to go into the tank, subtly. Watch, after 20 games, we'll have 20 points. After 30 games, 29 points, and by the time we hit the 40 mark, we'll have 37 points. Then we end up with 45 points, after 48 games. Good for 10th in the east, 4 points out of 14th place. We'll watch Calgary, Buffalo, Washington, Columbus and the Islanders take the top 5 in the draft and if we're lucky, we might get Max Domi. Lucky us.......another midget to go with the rest of our undersized forwards.

Probably not this year, because they refuse to go into the tank, subtly. Watch, after 20 games, we'll have 20 points. After 30 games, 29 points, and by the time we hit the 40 mark, we'll have 37 points. Then we end up with 45 points, after 48 games. Good for 10th in the east, 4 points out of 14th place. We'll watch Calgary, Buffalo, Washington, Columbus and the Islanders take the top 5 in the draft and if we're lucky, we might get Max Domi. Lucky us.......another midget to go with the rest of our undersized forwards.
- PrinceLH

wings will be there. hopefully.

Kulemin for Simon Despres. Book it.

Probably not this year, because they refuse to go into the tank, subtly. Watch, after 20 games, we'll have 20 points. After 30 games, 29 points, and by the time we hit the 40 mark, we'll have 37 points. Then we end up with 45 points, after 48 games. Good for 10th in the east, 4 points out of 14th place. We'll watch Calgary, Buffalo, Washington, Columbus and the Islanders take the top 5 in the draft and if we're lucky, we might get Max Domi. Lucky us.......another midget to go with the rest of our undersized forwards.
- PrinceLH

What midgets and undersized folk do you speak of?

The Leafs should look into acquiring Niklas Backstrom from the Caps, not sure what it would take, but man Backstrom to Kessel would be awesome.

Kulemin for Simon Despres. Book it.
- ThePresident

cause the leafs need more defenseman why?

cause the leafs need more defenseman why?
- matt1337

Probably because we have Kostka playing on our #1 PP, also the fact that we have Fraser in our top 6, and oh yeah, the great Holzer....

Probably because we have Kostka playing on our #1 PP, also the fact that we have Fraser in our top 6, and oh yeah, the great Holzer....
- ThePresident

with Rielly, Finn, Percy all developing and Blacker with the marlies, not to mention gardiner will replace kostka on the pp soon enough, theres no need trading our best all around top 6 forward for another defender

We need more of these!
- As_I_See_It

with Rielly, Finn, Percy all developing and Blacker with the marlies, not to mention gardiner will replace kostka on the pp soon enough, theres no need trading our best all around top 6 forward for another defender
- matt1337

If there is anything a playoff team needs to more d-men. Depth.

If there is anything a playoff team needs to more d-men. Depth.
- Beatle_john

which we have a lot of

Probably not this year, because they refuse to go into the tank, subtly. Watch, after 20 games, we'll have 20 points. After 30 games, 29 points, and by the time we hit the 40 mark, we'll have 37 points. Then we end up with 45 points, after 48 games. Good for 10th in the east, 4 points out of 14th place. We'll watch Calgary, Buffalo, Washington, Columbus and the Islanders take the top 5 in the draft and if we're lucky, we might get Max Domi. Lucky us.......another midget to go with the rest of our undersized forwards.
- PrinceLH

The draft is deep, there will be plenty to pick from. Max Domi is also a very good player, I don't see why picking him is a bad thing. He's 5-9 and apparently weighs in at around 180. Sounds like he's still growing and isn't going to be a pipsqueak.

If we're hypothesizing a 10th in the East Finish, and a Top 10 Draft pick, you'd be looking at Monahan and Gauthier. Gauthier is a monster at 6'5" 200+. Looks pretty nifty on paper. From the few games I've watched he's gritty, plays 200 feet and has soft hands and decent creativity as a playmaker. And is likely a Late/Middle 1st Round pick, might even drop off to the 2nd.

I think most people here want to tank, I'm more of the idea that it's easier, and a lot less harmful to trade away players who don't fit for picks or other players and develop a core. Beauch Trade was a prime example of that. The Lebda Trade. Toskala/Blake Trade. Get rid of players who don't fit the build and address minor needs and horde picks. You're actually more likely to draft the best talent with more picks, not necessarily higher picks. Top 5 pick doesn't mean anything if you pick a flunk or a bust. With 2 picks, you're more likely to draft an NHL player.

If I am sitting in the GM Chair, I let the season play out and let Carlyse coach the team. It's a shortened half season, and to be frank, I don't think anyone is going to pressure the Leafs to win now at this point. I would believe my superiors in the ownership group want to,

A) Make more Long Term revenue, which comes from,

B) Building a Contender.

With the exception of Pittsburgh and Chicago, no team in recent years built a core almost exclusively from the Top 5 of a draft. In Pittsburgh you had Fluery, Malkin, Crosby, Staal all drafted in the Top 2. That's 4 consecutive picks in the Top 2. Why would you detract 5 years worth of time, for 4 years of tanking and then a subsequent 2-5 years of attracting free agents, developing players, all for the off chance you'll win the cup? There is no guarantee that the players you have now will be worse than ones you draft by gutting the team you have now.

The Team has plenty of pieces. Kadri was a top 10, Frattin was a third rounder, and Van Riemsdyk was a trade; they lead the team in points with Kulemin a 2nd rounder. I'm not saying we don't need an elite talent, but perhaps someone we draft outside the Top 5 (Sean Courtier looks nice in Phily, don't you think? How about Kris Letang drafted 62nd in 2005 in the same year Pitts drafted Crosby? Shea Weber round 2? Rinne, Lundqvist and Miller all being low round picks)

I feel if this team continues to develop together, and continuing developing guys they draft, regardless of their position in scouting, the team will be better off and closer to a Contender than trying to tank. Teams like Columbus, the Islanders, the Panthers in recent past, have all had terrible draft records or haven't gotten much anywhere. The Islanders have "Elite" prospects littering the lineup, and when exactly has Tavares pushed them into a contending team. Is it Reinhart that's "The Guy"? Who knows.

I think the biggest problem with U_G's entire attitude about tanking is he believes it is a legitimate solution, and guaranteed to be better for the team. I don't think so. Unless you're drafting Gretzky year in and year out it's not. MacKinnon is going to be a great player. Would probably be amazing for the CURRENT line-up. But what's the line-up going to look like after we destroy the team and throw MacKinnon to the wolves?

Frattin-MacKinnon-Biggs? No Kessel, Lupul, Grabovski, Phaneuf and Kulemin in his line of thinking. So we throw are Prospects to the wolves and hope they get better. Look what Ovi is turning into after years of carrying a bad team to greatness and now has a Roster that on paper should be amazing. He's getting paid 10 Million for 2 goals and -2. Yet, he was the best Russian to ever be picked in the Draft. Same with Kovy until he was traded to the Devils. Again, even guarenteed drafting and building a team that ultimately could not win, and there is the Washington Capitals at the bottom of the East, getting referred to as the post I quoted above indicates "Picking in the Top 5".

No, if I am GM I don't do anything but trying to solve smaller problems (Like McLaren off waivers, making trades like the Schenn for JVR) and grabbing an extra First if I can. Even 2nd's and 3rd's. Not only am I setting the organization up to have a better chance of drafting an Elite Player, I'm also clearing out room for prospects to play, bad contracts being removed, players who need a change get one, getting rid of guys like Mac who don't ultimately fit in and so on; I'm stocking the cupboards full of stuff; making the organization more valuable and if all else fails, I now have that value to acquire elite talent. That's how it works U_G.

The draft is deep, there will be plenty to pick from. Max Domi is also a very good player, I don't see why picking him is a bad thing. He's 5-9 and apparently weighs in at around 180. Sounds like he's still growing and isn't going to be a pipsqueak.

If we're hypothesizing a 10th in the East Finish, and a Top 10 Draft pick, you'd be looking at Monahan and Gauthier. Gauthier is a monster at 6'5" 200+. Looks pretty nifty on paper. From the few games I've watched he's gritty, plays 200 feet and has soft hands and decent creativity as a playmaker. And is likely a Late/Middle 1st Round pick, might even drop off to the 2nd.

I think most people here want to tank, I'm more of the idea that it's easier, and a lot less harmful to trade away players who don't fit for picks or other players and develop a core. Beauch Trade was a prime example of that. The Lebda Trade. Toskala/Blake Trade. Get rid of players who don't fit the build and address minor needs and horde picks. You're actually more likely to draft the best talent with more picks, not necessarily higher picks. Top 5 pick doesn't mean anything if you pick a flunk or a bust. With 2 picks, you're more likely to draft an NHL player.

If I am sitting in the GM Chair, I let the season play out and let Carlyse coach the team. It's a shortened half season, and to be frank, I don't think anyone is going to pressure the Leafs to win now at this point. I would believe my superiors in the ownership group want to,

A) Make more Long Term revenue, which comes from,

B) Building a Contender.

With the exception of Pittsburgh and Chicago, no team in recent years built a core almost exclusively from the Top 5 of a draft. In Pittsburgh you had Fluery, Malkin, Crosby, Staal all drafted in the Top 2. That's 4 consecutive picks in the Top 2. Why would you detract 5 years worth of time, for 4 years of tanking and then a subsequent 2-5 years of attracting free agents, developing players, all for the off chance you'll win the cup? There is no guarantee that the players you have now will be worse than ones you draft by gutting the team you have now.

The Team has plenty of pieces. Kadri was a top 10, Frattin was a third rounder, and Van Riemsdyk was a trade; they lead the team in points with Kulemin a 2nd rounder. I'm not saying we don't need an elite talent, but perhaps someone we draft outside the Top 5 (Sean Courtier looks nice in Phily, don't you think? How about Kris Letang drafted 62nd in 2005 in the same year Pitts drafted Crosby? Shea Weber round 2? Rinne, Lundqvist and Miller all being low round picks)

I feel if this team continues to develop together, and continuing developing guys they draft, regardless of their position in scouting, the team will be better off and closer to a Contender than trying to tank. Teams like Columbus, the Islanders, the Panthers in recent past, have all had terrible draft records or haven't gotten much anywhere. The Islanders have "Elite" prospects littering the lineup, and when exactly has Tavares pushed them into a contending team. Is it Reinhart that's "The Guy"? Who knows.

I think the biggest problem with U_G's entire attitude about tanking is he believes it is a legitimate solution, and guaranteed to be better for the team. I don't think so. Unless you're drafting Gretzky year in and year out it's not. MacKinnon is going to be a great player. Would probably be amazing for the CURRENT line-up. But what's the line-up going to look like after we destroy the team and throw MacKinnon to the wolves?

Frattin-MacKinnon-Biggs? No Kessel, Lupul, Grabovski, Phaneuf and Kulemin in his line of thinking. So we throw are Prospects to the wolves and hope they get better. Look what Ovi is turning into after years of carrying a bad team to greatness and now has a Roster that on paper should be amazing. He's getting paid 10 Million for 2 goals and -2. Yet, he was the best Russian to ever be picked in the Draft. Same with Kovy until he was traded to the Devils. Again, even guarenteed drafting and building a team that ultimately could not win, and there is the Washington Capitals at the bottom of the East, getting referred to as the post I quoted above indicates "Picking in the Top 5".

No, if I am GM I don't do anything but trying to solve smaller problems (Like McLaren off waivers, making trades like the Schenn for JVR) and grabbing an extra First if I can. Even 2nd's and 3rd's. Not only am I setting the organization up to have a better chance of drafting an Elite Player, I'm also clearing out room for prospects to play, bad contracts being removed, players who need a change get one, getting rid of guys like Mac who don't ultimately fit in and so on; I'm stocking the cupboards full of stuff; making the organization more valuable and if all else fails, I now have that value to acquire elite talent. That's how it works U_G.
- Viktory

- Beatle_john

Even though i agree with a bunch of the epic postage this is hilarious hahaha