So it's harder to score goals consistently than it is to play a solid 200 foot game while scoring.

Right.
- Two_For_Truth

notice what you added?

"while scoring"

You mean that elite, top line talent benefits from playing with top line centers?

You mean Marc Savard is a more fitting player for Kessel to play with than Tyler Bozak?! No way!

Consider this: Kessel was actually able to maintain and improve his production going from Savard to Bozak. It's almost as if he possesses some sort of natural, innate talent for being an elite goalscorer or something.
- Leeman4Gilmour

dont talk logic to UG

his gerbil brain is unable to comprehend.

He doesn't need perma banned. He just has to learn the importance of letting others have their own opinions, and everyone has to stop taking poop personally. Having different opinions is what makes places like this exciting. How much fun would we be having here if all we did was agree. Dude, Frenchie has schooled me left right and centre on here for example, I've learned alot from him, and I hope likewise my constant Cory Conacher mentions make him more open to overagers making the NHL.

Now that Beatle John guy and Dshiddy/scooby, the can all go to (frank)ing hell.
- mykokes

Isn't it a little odd that the Leafs would sign every useless stiff they could find in the NCAA from Hanson to Irwin to Bozak and yet the kid from Burlington goes undetected?

Unbelievable.

It does help playing with Stamkos, St. Louis and Lecavalier though. Probably speeds up the process a lot.

He was at one time. He, Ovie and Backstrom all were. No need for anyone to cosign this for it to be a fact.
- systemtool

Ovi and Backstrom were..

Semin

Not reading any of this thread...

Komi should be in, if he's not hurt

Is Jake Gardiner really doing that bad that he shouldn't be starting in front of guys like Fraser or Holzer? What's going on? I hope we see some different line combos tonight. I'd put Kadri with Kessel maybe Macarthur on the other side, at least something different. The offense has not been clicking obviously, time for a change up.
- blahman20

The subtle tank

I'm sure if Holmgren could get his hands on Phaneuf he would be all over it to fill the gaping hole Pronger left and no Shcenn seems to be able to fill it. see what I did there, used schenn instead of one. Phaneuf isn't Pronger by any means, but he would fill the need just fine.

In my humble POV, Kessel would fill a need better than Phaneuf would even being labeled soft and 1 dimentional player. The guy can score and that's the need. The Flyers need a first line sniper to play with Giroux instead of relying on Hartnell/Simmonds to match their career highs from last year. That need has already led to speculation about the Flyers throwing a huge offer at Perry in the offseason.

Bottom line, this trade would benefit both:

Toronto:

Get their long coveted big center at age 20 in Sean Couturier and a complete right winger in Simmonds (grit, scoring ability and defensively responsible) who can drop the gloves and or make you pay on the wall who is just 24 years old. Grossman would fill for Phaneuf wonderfully and a 1 st rounder to balance.

Philli:

Get a pretty good replacement for Pronger and finally has a line that maches up to the Pens top line in Hartnell-Giroux-Kessel



- hooligoon

your turn systemtool

Isn't it a little odd that the Leafs would sign every useless stiff they could find in the NCAA from Hanson to Irwin to Bozak and yet the kid from Burlington goes undetected?

Unbelievable.

It does help playing with Stamkos, St. Louis and Lecavalier though. Probably speeds up the process a lot.
- Two_For_Truth

virgin

notice what you added?

"while scoring"
- big_dion

Notice that when a goal scorer who only knows how to do one thing is completely useless when he's not scoring goals? Has that dawned on you yet?

your turn systemtool
- hooligoon

Turn for what? Philly doesnt have the Cap space to make that happen.

dont talk logic to UG

his gerbil brain is unable to comprehend.
- big_dion

You spend 90% of your time on here coming up with lame attacks, strutting around the joint like your word is the almighty one, then you complain that people aren't talking about hockey enough.

I'm just about ready to blow this up.

Notice that when a goal scorer who only knows how to do one thing is completely useless when he's not scoring goals? Has that dawned on you yet?
- Two_For_Truth

actually kessel has been pretty decent out there setting up plays and getting some offensive zone steals.

but your too much of a dud to see that.

you know the ban is coming soon right?

I'm just about ready to blow this up.
- LeafMan

Please do

You spend 90% of your time on here coming up with lame attacks, strutting around the joint like your word is the almighty one, then you complain that people aren't talking about hockey enough.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

LOL lame attacks? the only person i chirp on here is UG and the negative nancy's like fakepartofme. who actually hasnt been too bad this year.

and i never complain when we are not talking hockey, cause 99% of the time its hockey or bacon.

and "strut like my word is the all mighty" why because i think last nights goal was a goal and should have counted?

so sue me.

You mean that elite, top line talent benefits from playing with top line centers?

You mean Marc Savard is a more fitting player for Kessel to play with than Tyler Bozak?! No way!

Consider this: Kessel was actually able to maintain and improve his production going from Savard to Bozak. It's almost as if he possesses some sort of natural, innate talent for being an elite goalscorer or something.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Consider this: Kessel is still only able to do one thing on an elite level and the rest of his game is still littered with holes. Not to mention, the one thing he does do right, is not only inconsistent but it's also predictable. Also, he's never been the top of his class in goal scoring. Never scored 40, 50 or 60 like the other elite goal scorers.

#Canucks Cory Schnieders agent Liut is concerned about his players ice time and wants the goalie situation to be resolved soon

Ovi and Backstrom were..

Semin
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Semin is a elite player..anybody who can finish in the top 10 in the NHL is considered elite. You guys and mixing up the elite player and elite scorer and elite body checker and elite backchecker...like Chris Kelly is a great back checker but he is not elite at anything hockey related...elite players are the ones people pay to watch PERIOD!!! Kessel is an elite hockey player...wouldnt be my choice for MY team..but I am only a fan and cheer for the team he got picked for...UNFORTUNATELY...because he is soft and he is soft and he is soft and he is soft..woops...sorry got stuck!!!!

Turn for what? Philly doesnt have the Cap space to make that happen.
- systemtool

The Leafs are open to salary dumps once those pieces are exchanged. Apart from cap space, is there any other issue as in the value of players traded or teams needs?

That's what your turn was for.

Semin is a elite player..anybody who can finish in the top 10 in the NHL is considered elite. You guys and mixing up the elite player and elite scorer and elite body checker and elite backchecker...like Chris Kelly is a great back checker but he is not elite at anything hockey related...elite players are the ones people pay to watch PERIOD!!! Kessel is an elite hockey player...wouldnt be my choice for MY team..but I am only a fan and cheer for the team he got picked for...UNFORTUNATELY...because he is soft and he is soft and he is soft and he is soft..woops...sorry got stuck!!!!
- Garnie

semin has top 5 release in the NHL.

thats all il say.

LOL lame attacks? the only person i chirp on here is UG and the negative nancy's like fakepartofme. who actually hasnt been too bad this year.

and i never complain when we are not talking hockey, cause 99% of the time its hockey or bacon.

and "strut like my word is the all mighty" why because i think last nights goal was a goal and should have counted?

so sue me.
- big_dion

yawn..

The Leafs are open to salary dumps once those pieces are exchanged. Apart from cap space, is there any other issue as in the value of players traded or teams needs?

That's what your turn was for.
- hooligoon

ps. i have a feeling leafs will buyout Liles.

no other contracts passed next year that are not good.

Consider this: Kessel is still only able to do one thing on an elite level and the rest of his game is still littered with holes. Not to mention, the one thing he does do right, is not only inconsistent but it's also predictable. Also, he's never been the top of his class in goal scoring. Never scored 40, 50 or 60 like the other elite goal scorers.
- Two_For_Truth

To recap: UG officially believes Kessel is an elite goalscorer.

He just took 12 pages to come to that realization.

yawn..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

lets hear it, you obviously have been thinking about this for a while

To recap: UG officially believes Kessel is an elite goalscorer.

He just took 12 pages to come to that realization.
- Leeman4Gilmour

jokes!

prepare for half an essay now!

actually kessel has been pretty decent out there setting up plays and getting some offensive zone steals.

but your too much of a dud to see that.

you know the ban is coming soon right?
- big_dion

If by setting up plays you mean taking a 40 foot shot into shin pads and sticks, yeah, he's setting up plays all the time.