I better get the the necessary gigwatts power supply ready for the DeLorean so I can see who we will be getting with the 1st overall pick, you know, just to make sure.
- LeafMan

I think theres an App for that now. So whats up Guys *Reads back a few pages* Really?? So Were going to Tank, Trade Kessel and We want Komi back In the Lineup. Wow. Not Good.

(frank) jones, id rather mackinnon.
- big_dion

Me too. Jones may be years away, and he is still not a very big defender for the NHL. Mac is a game changer.

Was he still -10? Yes or no?
- Two_For_Truth

and?

LOL dumbest point ever!!

UG take your virginity elsewhere.

Nobody said hes an elite player. But he is an elite goal scorer going into this season.
- systemtool

It's no use, just like when I said to people here a few years ago that Frattin can become a very useful player and was made fun of, people said he is a college player and will amount to nothing but an AHL player.

I said it before, why do I bother.

I think its a good thing that we're 4-5 yet our most talented player has 0 goals, and our best all round forward is hurt. Gives me some hope.

The Bruins had the talent already where they could afford to lose him, plus they didnt have much cap space.
- systemtool

The Leafs can afford to lose him because it leads to rebuilding a better team in the long run.

Your whole point is based on wishes and what ifs. We dont know he doesnt want to stay here, we dont know what it will cost, we dont know what the return will be, we dont know where the lottery balls will fall and who will truly be the worst team.

No, the point is that Kessel is a guy who you can't build a team around so you cut your losses, you trade him and you start over again instead of continuing to make the same mistakes over and over again. Without Kessel, this team is one of the worst in the league. That's easy to see.

You assume the players and picks we get in return will undoubtedly be as good and better than Kessel.

Sorry, not going to to play that game. Do what it takes to keep him, and if not possible or costs too much, then you consider the trade route. Until then, im not going to make claims with assumptions as its foundation.

Do what it takes to trade him for the highest value and start over. Properly.

Nobody said hes an elite player. But he is an elite goal scorer going into this season.
- systemtool

Actually, people are saying that.

Was he still -10? Yes or no?
- Two_For_Truth

If you base everything on a useless plus minus stat, than I really don't have much to say to you.

It's no use, just like when I said to people here a few years ago that Frattin can become a very useful player and was made fun, people said he is a college player and will amount to nothing but an AHL player.

I said it before, why do I bother.
- LeafMan

Yea, agreed.

When they lose, people just go overboard. When people are narrow minded, they cant see other views. Sadly, I see another loss tonight with the Caps finally getting some wins, so its only going to get worse.

I like Phil Kessel, but he's just looking more and more like a more consistant Jason Blake.

Actually, people are saying that.
- Two_For_Truth

Top 10 in the league last year, so they arent exactly pulling it out of thin air.

He was among the elite, last year anyways.

I like Phil Kessel, but he's just looking more and more like a more consistant Jason Blake.
- ThePresident

Ok bud

Its not going to happen. The Flyers have enough cap problems.
- systemtool

I'm sure if Holmgren could get his hands on Phaneuf he would be all over it to fill the gaping hole Pronger left and no Shcenn seems to be able to fill it. see what I did there, used schenn instead of one. Phaneuf isn't Pronger by any means, but he would fill the need just fine.

In my humble POV, Kessel would fill a need better than Phaneuf would even being labeled soft and 1 dimentional player. The guy can score and that's the need. The Flyers need a first line sniper to play with Giroux instead of relying on Hartnell/Simmonds to match their career highs from last year. That need has already led to speculation about the Flyers throwing a huge offer at Perry in the offseason.

Bottom line, this trade would benefit both:

Toronto:

Get their long coveted big center at age 20 in Sean Couturier and a complete right winger in Simmonds (grit, scoring ability and defensively responsible) who can drop the gloves and or make you pay on the wall who is just 24 years old. Grossman would fill for Phaneuf wonderfully and a 1 st rounder to balance.

Philli:

Get a pretty good replacement for Pronger and finally has a line that maches up to the Pens top line in Hartnell-Giroux-Kessel

Actually, people are saying that.
- Two_For_Truth

And? if some of us do? Does it really matter to you? Is there something wrong with respecting a guy for finishing with 82 points in 82 gp and 6th in NHL scoring? It wasn't Kessel's fault Kulemin only scored 7 goals last season, wasn't his fault either that Gustavson/Scrivens/and a concussed Reimer sucked the big one.

What is his fault is the poop he's putting out right now, is he's making dumb decisions with his shots....though, he's hit a lot of cross bars and posts. Even still, this season so far, he's get a failing grade from me.

If you base everything on a useless plus minus stat, than I really don't have much to say to you.
- LeafMan

If you base everything on offensive stats that were inflated by playing in a wide open offensive style, than I really don't have much to say to you.

You obviously ignore that Kessel is worthless defensively, gives the puck away, isn't a leader, isn't tough, isn't physical, isn't consistent and is most definitely not an elite all around player.

He does one thing great and the rest of his game is littered with holes but he's still an elite player.

Sure.

Ok bud
- The_Vark

Not that hilarious, if you actually saw Jason Blake play when he was a bit younger, its almost like watching the same player. He plays almost identical to him, but obviously Kessel is better, and much more consistant goal scoring wise over the seasons.

Top 10 in the league last year, so they arent exactly pulling it out of thin air.

He was among the elite, last year anyways.
- systemtool

You flip-flopped pretty hard and pretty fast on that one. One second you say that nobody called him an elite player, the next, it's a different story.

If you base everything on offensive stats that were inflated by playing in a wide open offensive style, than I really don't have much to say to you.

You obviously ignore that Kessel is worthless defensively, gives the puck away, isn't a leader, isn't tough, isn't physical, isn't consistent and is most definitely not an elite all around player.

He does one thing great and the rest of his game is littered with holes but he's still an elite player.

Sure.
- Two_For_Truth

I actually think Lupul had more to do with it. But that's just me.

And? if some of us do? Does it really matter to you? Is there something wrong with respecting a guy for finishing with 82 points in 82 gp and 6th in NHL scoring? It wasn't Kessel's fault Kulemin only scored 7 goals last season, wasn't his fault either that Gustavson/Scrivens/and a concussed Reimer sucked the big one.

What is his fault is the poop he's putting out right now, is he's making dumb decisions with his shots....though, he's hit a lot of cross bars and posts. Even still, this season so far, he's get a failing grade from me.
- mykokes

Kessel scoring goals and points in a wide open Ron Wilson system might impress you but it's still not enough to prove he's an elite player. There's a difference between top 10 scorer and elite player. Alexander Semin was a top 10 scorer and a 40 goal scorer. Doesn't make him an elite player.

Not that hilarious, if you actually saw Jason Blake play when he was a bit younger, its almost like watching the same player. He plays almost identical to him, but obviously Kessel is better, and much more consistant goal scoring wise over the seasons.
- ThePresident

Blake played chippy with a bit of sand paper. Nothing like Phil.. Phil is way smoother a skater and playmaker

You flip-flopped pretty hard and pretty fast on that one. One second you say that nobody called him an elite player, the next, it's a different story.
- Two_For_Truth

No, he's just being open to other peoples point of view. Understanding someone isn't the same as agreeing with them. Dude, I totally understand every one of your posts, I don't always agree.

Blake played chippy with a bit of sand paper. Nothing like Phil.. Phil is way smoother a skater and playmaker
- Popcorn Kid

And Phil has friends on his team.

You flip-flopped pretty hard and pretty fast on that one. One second you say that nobody called him an elite player, the next, it's a different story.
- Two_For_Truth

I didnt see anyone say it at the time of my post, and there is no flip flop. Just a justification. I can see you're in the zone today. Have at her.

Not reading any of this thread...

Komi should be in, if he's not hurt

Is Jake Gardiner really doing that bad that he shouldn't be starting in front of guys like Fraser or Holzer? What's going on? I hope we see some different line combos tonight. I'd put Kadri with Kessel maybe Macarthur on the other side, at least something different. The offense has not been clicking obviously, time for a change up.

I actually think Lupul had more to do with it. But that's just me.
- mykokes

More to do with it than Ron Wilson's wide open style? Possible but they both contributed to that.