Save the power. It's either MacKinnon or Jones.
- Two_For_Truth

(frank) jones, id rather mackinnon.

Here is another one I wouldn't mind:

Kessel + Phaneuf


for


Couturier, Simmonds, Grossman and a 1st.
- hooligoon

Its not going to happen. The Flyers have enough cap problems.

Why would the Leafs? A 26 year old Bobby Ryan for a 25 year old Phil Kessel?

Bobby Ryan and his 57 points last year for Phil Kessel and his 82 points?
- mykokes

It is hatred towards Kessel, no matter what he does people will complain, it is also hatred that people can't admit he is an elite player, even when proven over and over again by comparisons around the league and stats to prove it. Haters never have an open mind.

Here is another one I wouldn't mind:

Kessel + Phaneuf


for


Couturier, Simmonds, Grossman and a 1st.
- hooligoon

I'd mind, that's clearly not enough value that the Leafs would be getting. You'd be able to get much more if both were shipped out in different trades.

his fat head made him unable to decide on who to put out, so he tossed out Orr and the boys so they could ice the puck.

sometimes i wonder..
- big_dion

The subtle tank

The whole reason for that Kessel debate was a reason why they shouldnt trade him for the sake of trading him.

The point is that this team is not going to do that, so we might as well be argueing the merits of Stamkos and Malkin being traded here for Komisarek if we're going to ignore the logic and the words of Nonis himself.
- systemtool

Actually, the point was what would be best for the Leafs and the best thing for the Leafs is for him to tell them he doesn't want to resign and be forced to trade him.

Plus the fact Kessel is still only 25, so not exactly the type of player you trade when trying to rebuild.

No, he's the type of player you trade when his value is high instead of making the mistake of giving him too much money and falsely trying to build around him. Y'know, kinda like the Bruins had the foresight to do?

It is hatred towards Kessel, no matter what he does people will complain, it is also hatred that people can't admit he is an elite player, even when proven over and over again by comparisons around the league and stats to prove it. Haters never have an open mind.
- LeafMan

all this worry about kessel

and dion phaneuf our captain and supposed to be leader is playing the worst hockey ive seen him play in his career.

cant hit the net
cant lay a hit
cant defend a forward coming in wide
wont fight for his team to gain a spark
what he hell is he doing out there? 30 mins a game!!! 6 shots, 1 on net.

if anyone needs to be called it, this is who.

kessel is doing everything but scoring, talking about him right now is a waste, because he will score and then he will score more and this will be forgotten....while dion is still sucking the big one.

Yeah that is it, tank the season and pick a player we don't need, you people are something else, un(frank)ingbelievable.

Why do I bother.
- LeafMan

we talk about tanking like its a choice. Leafs arent going to tank anything, they're just going to lose more than they win because other teams are better and have been built properly.

It is hatred towards Kessel, no matter what he does people will complain, it is also hatred that people can't admit he is an elite player, even when proven over and over again by comparisons around the league and stats to prove it. Haters never have an open mind.
- LeafMan

Kessel is far from an elite player. You can make the argument he's a great goal scorer, but he's not an elite player.

Kessel is far from an elite player. You can make the argument he's a great goal scorer, but he's not an elite player.
- Two_For_Truth

Did Kessel have more assists than goals last season, yes or no?

Actually, the point was what would be best for the Leafs and the best thing for the Leafs is for him to tell them he doesn't want to resign and be forced to trade him.



No, he's the type of player you trade when his value is high instead of making the mistake of giving him too much money and falsely trying to build around him. Y'know, kinda like the Bruins had the foresight to do?
- Two_For_Truth

well UG

if everyone could see the future 100% then we could all go back and say we should have done this or should have done that.

so why dont you take your 2 cents elsewhere, you've been banned more times than paris hilton has opened her gap; to the point where you cant even use your actual alias? hint hint? nudge nudge? smell ya later old timer.

An elite player should pretty much be a Franchise player, Kessel is not a Franchise player, nor is he elite. Is he good yeah, is he elite? No.

Its not going to happen. The Flyers have enough cap problems.
- systemtool

Pnuff 2 edmonton for mps and a first

Kessel 2 nyl for nino, griffen and a first

Kessel is far from an elite player. You can make the argument he's a great goal scorer, but he's not an elite player.
- Two_For_Truth

your right, it takes a 70 goal scorer every year for 10 years to become "UG ELITE"

Did Kessel have more assists than goals last season, yes or no?
- LeafMan

Lou - lol, its like talking to a brick wall without any bricks.

that make sense? it shouldnt, this guy is a clown and has been for years!

Did Kessel have more assists than goals last season, yes or no?
- LeafMan

Lou - lol, its like talking to a brick wall without any bricks.

that make sense? it shouldnt, this guy is a clown and has been for years!

Actually, the point was what would be best for the Leafs and the best thing for the Leafs is for him to tell them he doesn't want to resign and be forced to trade him.



No, he's the type of player you trade when his value is high instead of making the mistake of giving him too much money and falsely trying to build around him. Y'know, kinda like the Bruins had the foresight to do?
- Two_For_Truth

The Bruins had the talent already where they could afford to lose him, plus they didnt have much cap space.

Your whole point is based on wishes and what ifs. We dont know he doesnt want to stay here, we dont know what it will cost, we dont know what the return will be, we dont know where the lottery balls will fall and who will truly be the worst team.

You assume the players and picks we get in return will undoubtedly be as good and better than Kessel.

Sorry, not going to to play that game. Do what it takes to keep him, and if not possible or costs too much, then you consider the trade route. Until then, im not going to make claims with assumptions as its foundation.

An elite player should pretty much be a Franchise player, Kessel is not a Franchise player, nor is he eliter. Is he good yeah, is he elite? No.
- ThePresident

so hes joe flacco-ish?

his fat head made him unable to decide on who to put out, so he tossed out Orr and the boys so they could ice the puck.

sometimes i wonder..
- big_dion

LOL
Didn't take long for people to turn on RC...
LOL

An elite player should pretty much be a Franchise player, Kessel is not a Franchise player, nor is he eliter. Is he good yeah, is he elite? No.
- ThePresident

Nobody said hes an elite player. But he is an elite goal scorer going into this season.

An elite player should pretty much be a Franchise player, Kessel is not a Franchise player, nor is he eliter. Is he good yeah, is he elite? No.
- ThePresident

kessel is an elite player.

kessel is not a franchise player.

kessel is a sniper, and a piece you need on your team to contend for the cup.

there is a sum up.

Here is another one I wouldn't mind:

Kessel + Phaneuf


for


Couturier, Simmonds, Grossman and a 1st.
- hooligoon

The Flyers have enough cap problems as it is.

But Couturier, Simmons and a 1st would be great.

LOL
Didn't take long for people to turn on RC...
LOL
- Fakepartofme

im not turning on RC - im saying i wonder sometimes because id do things differently.

like not having dion on the PP with Kostka, time after time after time.

still early, he will figure it all out.

Did Kessel have more assists than goals last season, yes or no?
- LeafMan

You guys disagree, I personally agree with you.
I think kessel is an elite scorer/point getter or will be.

Though I hate his personality a lot.

Did Kessel have more assists than goals last season, yes or no?
- LeafMan

Was he still -10? Yes or no?