But they played together, and unlike skaters who have shorter career spans, goalies tend to play into their late 30's even early 40's so it's as fair of a comparison as I can make. Again, I could probably list several goalies from that era to make my point (like Vernon, Moog, Smith, Hextall), all of whom would have similar numbers to Fuhr in the regular season. The point I was trying to make was that Fuhr (while a GREAT playoff goalie and his numbers bear that out) was not elite because he did not dominate in the regular season as well as the playoffs and that it can't all be accounted for Edmonton's willingness to have their defensemen jump into the rush and leave Fuhr to deal with the odd-man rushes/breakaways that would occur when they turned the puck over.
- DariusKnight

I think I am agreeing with you, just not the eact numbers but you make very good points.


QUESTION --- The other day a trivia question came up and it was this...

Name The First Goalie to score a goal.

What would your answer be... no googling

I mean....ya, there's all of that.

Seriously, are you laying this out there for a barrage of "you wouldn't know how important that is would you?" bull$hit.

You gotta give Fuhr more then that - he was clutch A LOT during the regular season.
I'd like to see any goalie play with those pads nowadays.
- Salvo

Well not all defesive Gaffs --- see Steve Smith

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1977, Rogie Vachon

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1977, Rogie Vachon
- Beatle_john

Hextall was the first I ever saw do it.


Think Id rather ha/ve a playoff beast tender than a regular season champ. Elite is a pretty broad term.

I think I am agreeing with you, just not the eact numbers but you make very good points.


QUESTION --- The other day a trivia question came up and it was this...

Name The First Goalie to score a goal.

What would your answer be... no googling
- Beatle_john

I'm probably wrong, I know Hextall had several, but I don't think he was first... I'd say Dryden.

EDIT: And I'm wrong...

Hextall was the first I ever saw do it.


Think Id rather ha/ve a playoff beast tender than a regular season champ. Elite is a pretty broad term.
- sanfordnson

Ah, true, but again, even though it's not fair to compare goalies from this era to the 80's, I listed several who had/have great playoffs yet are average or below average in the regular season. You have to make the playoffs to have the chance to win, so having a playoff beast goaltender but who only makes the playoffs maybe once out of every 4 years isn't great.

Yes, it is a broad term, but to me, elite is the best of the best, a goalie who is in the top 3-5 every year statistically and continues the dominance in the playoffs. I will freely admit that limits the list significantly to a handful of goalies. If pressed, I'd say Fuhr was not top tier (Brodeur/Roy/Hasek) and closer to average to above-average for his era and stats and there are plenty of goalies in that era that could be placed there like Hextall, Smith, Moog, Vernon, Vanbiesbrouck and Barasso.

I'm probably wrong, I know Hextall had several, but I don't think he was first... I'd say Dryden.

EDIT: And I'm wrong...
- DariusKnight

My first was Billy Smith

Lu on twitter
It sure is fun being the back up Goalie

Back up plays more games than the #1 Goalie
Back Up gets paid more
Back Up has more wins

You do the Math

All pretty funny to watch

I have returned from my ban a changed man

But they played together, and unlike skaters who have shorter career spans, goalies tend to play into their late 30's even early 40's so it's as fair of a comparison as I can make. Again, I could probably list several goalies from that era to make my point (like Vernon, Moog, Smith, Hextall), all of whom would have similar numbers to Fuhr in the regular season. The point I was trying to make was that Fuhr (while a GREAT playoff goalie and his numbers bear that out) was not elite because he did not dominate in the regular season as well as the playoffs and that it can't all be accounted for Edmonton's willingness to have their defensemen jump into the rush and leave Fuhr to deal with the odd-man rushes/breakaways that would occur when they turned the puck over.
- DariusKnight

Grant Fuhr was a great goaltender (and he had fun playing the game) -- end of story. All the rest is semantics. Patrick Roy was better...and Brodeur better than Roy (imo).