There's a difference between good business and bad business...also your argument is fairly weak, you state the Flames are awful, need to rebuild etc etc etc. but also claim the fan base won't support their team despite the fact the dome is always full. Something doesn't add up. I'm pretty sure the Flames are in the top 10 of all pro sports for current consecutive sell-out streaks, although I do not know where to find this info. The fans will always be there.
- The-O-G

That may be true... But Owners have got to be asking themselves... if we tear it down, will our fans still support us and buy season tickets? I don't think they would. As for business. Its all about making money, if you can continue to make money a build a winner in a shorter period of time then you do it.

Business is about selling tickets.... If the fans still support your team during the rough years and it takes ... say 6 years to build a winner, why would you not do that? I am not saying that Flames have bad fans, because that is the furthest from the truth. I do believe that Calgary would not support a hockey team that placed last or second to last over a 3 year period the way Edm fans did. I have lived in both cities... Calgary currently... There is no doubt that Calgary Fans that attend games are more white collar. Edmonton has more blue collar.
- TSTER

Whether their fans would be accepting of a 3 year rebuild or not isnt a concern for the Flames...their GM is not one to take this route and he is adamant that they will do their best to remain competitive while retooling. Whether that means through a long process of drafting well, or trading players for others who better fit their mold...Im not quite sure.

But not "blowing things up" if you will, is not because of their fans.

That may be true... But Owners have got to be asking themselves... if we tear it down, will our fans still support us and buy season tickets? I don't think they would. As for business. Its all about making money, if you can continue to make money a build a winner in a shorter period of time then you do it.
- TSTER

I'll always remain adamant that no team ever "blows it up" on purpose. It's not a good game plan, there are no guarantees, and like I said before, if it's its done on purpose, you are basically telling your fans the employees of the organization cannot build a team with out sure-fire draft picks. If that's the case, why do those people have jobs? It's just a rotten plan all the way around.

I'll always remain adamant that no team ever "blows it up" on purpose. It's not a good game plan, there are no guarantees, and like I said before, if it's its done on purpose, you are basically telling your fans the employees of the organization cannot build a team with out sure-fire draft picks. If that's the case, why do those people have jobs? It's just a rotten plan all the way around.
- The-O-G

I guess it comes down to what you/me "the fan" wants. I want my team to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to just play meaningful games in March/April. I really don't give two hoots about the business side of things. Its not like Edm or Cal share their profits with us... they just charge more for beer, parking, tickets. If the owners came to the average fan and said.... Blow it up and be contenders in 5 years... or Slow rebuild and be contenders in 10 years... Which would you choose?

I guess it comes down to what you/me "the fan" wants. I want my team to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to just play meaningful games in March/April. I really don't give two hoots about the business side of things. Its not like Edm or Cal share their profits with us... they just charge more for beer, parking, tickets. If the owners came to the average fan and said.... Blow it up and be contenders in 5 years... or Slow rebuild and be contenders in 10 years... Which would you choose?
- TSTER

Moreover, keep in mind that most GM's are doing their best to secure their OWN jobs too...so regardless of what "fans" want, they will do what THEY think is best for the team as THEY see fit.

Moreover, keep in mind that most GM's are doing their best to secure their OWN jobs too...so regardless of what "fans" want, they will do what THEY think is best for the team as THEY see fit.
- Colin Dambrauskas

You are right... Thats why I said "the owners". A GM could not make the decision of a slow vs full rebuild without the owners consent. If Owners new they would still make same money through a full rebuild, all of them would do it. Which brings me back to Calgary. I think they would be playing in a half full building if the owners came out and said we are trading Iggy, Kipper.... and are going to a full rebuild. This is the reason I think Feaster is doing what he is doing. He is just a pawn, same as all GM's.

You are right... Thats why I said "the owners". A GM could not make the decision of a slow vs full rebuild without the owners consent. If Owners new they would still make same money through a full rebuild, all of them would do it. Which brings me back to Calgary. I think they would be playing in a half full building if the owners came out and said we are trading Iggy, Kipper.... and are going to a full rebuild. This is the reason I think Feaster is doing what he is doing. He is just a pawn, same as all GM's.
- TSTER

Well, I dont know about that...if what they received in return were NHL ready prospects, some with higher level expectations, I think a lot of fans would have a new level of excitment for their team.

Maybe the Rangers is a good fit for Iggy. He'd be 2nd line probably and he'd have a great chance to win there.

Wherever he goes, get likely a late 1st in return and maybe a prospect....continue tanking this year for 1-2 overall. Get McKinnon in the draft and we finally have a no.1 center going forward ! If Kipper starts playing well, trade him too.

You are right... Thats why I said "the owners". A GM could not make the decision of a slow vs full rebuild without the owners consent. If Owners new they would still make same money through a full rebuild, all of them would do it. Which brings me back to Calgary. I think they would be playing in a half full building if the owners came out and said we are trading Iggy, Kipper.... and are going to a full rebuild. This is the reason I think Feaster is doing what he is doing. He is just a pawn, same as all GM's.
- TSTER

I personally think Calgary would still fill the seats, i think that would be the case with most Canadian teams....

I personally think Calgary would still fill the seats, i think that would be the case with most Canadian teams....
- SpoiledByOil

The vast majority of Calgary season tickets are corporate owned, so they would keep them and then you create demand for the remaining.

I look at Ottawa more than Edmonton as good way to re build. Traded some core for picks and prospects, had a couple of lean years but now are competitive team with good young players and depth..... although we will see how they do without Spezza

I guess it comes down to what you/me "the fan" wants. I want my team to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to just play meaningful games in March/April. I really don't give two hoots about the business side of things. Its not like Edm or Cal share their profits with us... they just charge more for beer, parking, tickets. If the owners came to the average fan and said.... Blow it up and be contenders in 5 years... or Slow rebuild and be contenders in 10 years... Which would you choose?
- TSTER

Will you quit drivelling about how the last how many years of Oiler suckage was superior management planning & superior ownership vision. Your rebuild & blow up was nothing more than a set of freak circumstances & sequence of events. Your ownership sold to Katz otherwise they were pulling the pin on everything. Katz wanted to win & they signed Souray & Skabbibuhlin & were spurned by Heatley. The Oilers season then proceeded to go in the tank because they went through a run of injuries I dont think anyone has ever seen. That injury run even lasted the year after as well. Your little rebuild wasnt planned, your arses were kicked through the door scratching & clawing all the way. After the 2nd 1st over all, your aggressive GM is so afraid to screw a trade up, he hasnt been able to pull the pin on any deal of significance yet. But now the hockey world is looking at all these #1 overalls & has placed expectation on them. Your GM can no longer hide his shortcomings behind a "rebuild the right way" snow job on the paying faithful in Edmonton. So quit coming on our thread & spew how great you guys are on how you rebuilt your team. On another note, why didnt your superstars totally destroy the Flames the last game we played? According to you, the Flames are so bad we better blow the kingdom come out of everything & there is nothing to salvage.

The vast majority of Calgary season tickets are corporate owned, so they would keep them and then you create demand for the remaining.

I look at Ottawa more than Edmonton as good way to re build. Traded some core for picks and prospects, had a couple of lean years but now are competitive team with good young players and depth..... although we will see how they do without Spezza
- scoot174

Missing Spezza for the rest of the year will certainly hurt their chances, imo.

Maybe the Rangers is a good fit for Iggy. He'd be 2nd line probably and he'd have a great chance to win there.

Wherever he goes, get likely a late 1st in return and maybe a prospect....continue tanking this year for 1-2 overall. Get McKinnon in the draft and we finally have a no.1 center going forward ! If Kipper starts playing well, trade him too.
- tincup

Rangers dont have their 1st rounder, they popped it over to Columbus in the Nash deal & if we trade Iggy, we absolutely have to have a 2013 1st coming back our way.

The vast majority of Calgary season tickets are corporate owned, so they would keep them and then you create demand for the remaining.

I look at Ottawa more than Edmonton as good way to re build. Traded some core for picks and prospects, had a couple of lean years but now are competitive team with good young players and depth..... although we will see how they do without Spezza
- scoot174

yea it's easy to say that when you have players like Spezza, Alffy, Heatly, Chara, Redden, Havlat.... the Oilers had Horcoff and Hemsky..... With what we had for trade value (none) and where our team was heading (nowhere), nobody wanted to sign here, and honestly IMO the way the flames are heading it's not going to be long until people don't want to sign there either.... Ottawa had way to many assests to blow their team up to rebuild, you can't compare them to Edmonton. Unless Calgary gets rid of their valuable assets and rebuilds they're going to be missing the playoffs for the foreseeable future and icing a losing team for a loonnnggg time... but again, that's just my opinion, i personally hope the flames keep doing what they're doing

Missing Spezza for the rest of the year will certainly hurt their chances, imo.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Not sure whose sleeves you rub for reliable intel but some scuttle(no sure how reliable) is that Iggy has turned down 2 extension offers from the Flames. You hear anything?

Rangers dont have their 1st rounder, they popped it over to Columbus in the Nash deal & if we trade Iggy, we absolutely have to have a 2013 1st coming back our way.
- Kevin R

I think the best fit for Iggy will be Pitt. No idea what they have for prospects but the downside is their first will be like a 2nd.

You are right... Thats why I said "the owners". A GM could not make the decision of a slow vs full rebuild without the owners consent. If Owners new they would still make same money through a full rebuild, all of them would do it. Which brings me back to Calgary. I think they would be playing in a half full building if the owners came out and said we are trading Iggy, Kipper.... and are going to a full rebuild. This is the reason I think Feaster is doing what he is doing. He is just a pawn, same as all GM's.
- TSTER

As my previous post, Calgary would still sell out or be close if they do full re build. You are right about the owners though, they want to try to win every year and I would suggest it is because 4 of the 6 at in or near their 70s and opportunity for a Cup is running out, especially Alvin Libin.

Murray is the youngest, but his partners are all getting up there.

-Scott Laughton
-first round pick
-Zac Rinaldo

Philly is going to be getting pretty desperate. But having a hard time seeing Iggy leave
- RyanGosling

So, Calgary wants to get a kid two years away from the NHL (I don't care if Laughton played five games and looked not out of place) and what purpose does Zac Rinaldo bring to Calgary. He is a waste.

Really, Laughton is the lone prospect Philly has with value. The farm system isn't good. McGinn doesn't have much value. Others certainly can offer more. Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Chicago ...

I think the best fit for Iggy will be Pitt. No idea what they have for prospects but the downside is their first will be like a 2nd.
- whipper334

don't you run that risk with trading to any "playoff team"?

Will you quit drivelling about how the last how many years of Oiler suckage was superior management planning & superior ownership vision. Your rebuild & blow up was nothing more than a set of freak circumstances & sequence of events. Your ownership sold to Katz otherwise they were pulling the pin on everything. Katz wanted to win & they signed Souray & Skabbibuhlin & were spurned by Heatley. The Oilers season then proceeded to go in the tank because they went through a run of injuries I dont think anyone has ever seen. That injury run even lasted the year after as well. Your little rebuild wasnt planned, your arses were kicked through the door scratching & clawing all the way. After the 2nd 1st over all, your aggressive GM is so afraid to screw a trade up, he hasnt been able to pull the pin on any deal of significance yet. But now the hockey world is looking at all these #1 overalls & has placed expectation on them. Your GM can no longer hide his shortcomings behind a "rebuild the right way" snow job on the paying faithful in Edmonton. So quit coming on our thread & spew how great you guys are on how you rebuilt your team. On another note, why didnt your superstars totally destroy the Flames the last game we played? According to you, the Flames are so bad we better blow the kingdom come out of everything & there is nothing to salvage.
- Kevin R

If you want to hold on to one / two / three wins against select teams for the year you go for it. I am pretty pleased with my GM. Signed J Schultz, traded for N Schultz traded for Fistric... Good moves for a GM who you think is useless.... If Feaster was as good as you obviously think he is, why are the Flames in last place? Don't bother answering... the Flames are an outstanding success because they beat Edm for their only win this year.

Preparing for your second rant Kevin. For goodness sakes don't have a heart attack while writing.

I guess it comes down to what you/me "the fan" wants. I want my team to win the Stanley Cup. I don't want to just play meaningful games in March/April. I really don't give two hoots about the business side of things. Its not like Edm or Cal share their profits with us... they just charge more for beer, parking, tickets. If the owners came to the average fan and said.... Blow it up and be contenders in 5 years... or Slow rebuild and be contenders in 10 years... Which would you choose?
- TSTER

We all want to win the cup obviously, but i'm not sold on the success rate of blowing it up. Seriously, name one team that has gone through anything similar to what the Oilers have done who have won the cup? It's never happened, it's never even been attempted.

We all want to win the cup obviously, but i'm not sold on the success rate of blowing it up. Seriously, name one team that has gone through anything similar to what the Oilers have done who have won the cup? It's never happened, it's never even been attempted.
- The-O-G

Chicago, Pitsburgh.......

Not sure whose sleeves you rub for reliable intel but some scuttle(no sure how reliable) is that Iggy has turned down 2 extension offers from the Flames. You hear anything?
- Kevin R

I have not heard this, but I will look into it



According the Nick Cotsonika - Flames insist Iginla is staying


...take it for what its worth.

I think the best fit for Iggy will be Pitt. No idea what they have for prospects but the downside is their first will be like a 2nd.
- whipper334

Lots of solid d men; Morrow, Pouliot, Maata....

Not sure whose sleeves you rub for reliable intel but some scuttle(no sure how reliable) is that Iggy has turned down 2 extension offers from the Flames. You hear anything?
- Kevin R

I happen to know one of Hartleys long time good friends

...But you won't hear me citing any sources or anything like that