The reason is that he channels his inner Jason Blake
- BestRapperAlive

Is this supposed to be some kind of a bad thing?

J.Staal?

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but I've always felt he's been over-hyped. What's odd is that a lot of the hype was based around him being so "underrated" for so long.

We kept hearing, "Jordan Staal is one of the most underrated players in the league," so many times that it turned into actual hype. Then, too much hype.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Id take Sutter over Stall.. I think the pens won that trade

Is this supposed to be some kind of a bad thing?
- Mr_Clean

Jason Blake has become short-hand for "shoots a lot without scoring."

It's a pretty reductive summation of the situation. Kessel and Jason Blake are miles apart.

Id take Sutter over Stall.. I think the pens won that trade
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Because of their relative salaries, right?

k now you've lost me - those are 2 pretty good players with pretty good careers.

Schenn's played 71 games in the NHL over 4 different seasons since being drafted and has 13 goals/24 pts.

Kadri's played 59 games over the same time period and has 11 goals, 26 pts, and Kadri is almost a full year olde than Schenn, but they were drafted the same year.
- Big_Lightnin

I know those guys are good players, which is why I said he will not be as good. However, those guys are not top 5 material either, nor would they ever be called #1 ranked prospects in their day. Checking line centers are beneficial to a team, just shouldn't be as overhyped as Schenn was.

Simply pointing out that the guy was overhyped, shouldn't have been a top 5 pick, shouldn't have been ranked the #1 prospect. The Kings knew what they were doing when they traded him away, knew he was overhyped.
- ThePresident

That's a pretty strong opinion based on 71 NHL games. Matt Frattin scored 0 (or maybe 1) goal in his first 30 NHL games as a 23/24 year old. He looks a little better than that now.

Because of their relative salaries, right?
- Mr_Clean

yeah, but also Sutter brings as much to the table as Staal does.

I know those guys are good players, which is why I said he will not be as good. However, those guys are not top 5 material either, nor would they ever be called #1 ranked prospects in their day. Checking line centers are beneficial to a team, just shouldn't be as overhyped as Schenn was.
- ThePresident

I do think it's fair to say that we made the right move by not doing Kaberle + our 7th overall (Kadri) for LA's 5th overall (Schenn).

He wasn't worth that much to move up 2 spots for.

That's a pretty strong opinion based on 71 NHL games. Matt Frattin scored 0 (or maybe 1) goal in his first 30 NHL games as a 23/24 year old. He looks a little better than that now.
- 1979AD

Matt Frattin and Brayden Schenn are two different stories. Schenn was picked in the top 5, and ranked the best prospect last year...for someone overhyped like that, you'd think they'd have much more to bring to the table.

I do think it's fair to say that we made the right move by not doing Kaberle + our 7th overall (Kadri) for LA's 5th overall (Schenn).

He wasn't worth that much to move up 2 spots for.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Wasn't it 7th overall and Kaberle for Kessel

Simply pointing out that the guy was overhyped, shouldn't have been a top 5 pick, shouldn't have been ranked the #1 prospect. The Kings knew what they were doing when they traded him away, knew he was overhyped.
- ThePresident

You're an excellent judge of talent.

Matthew Lombardi told me so.

Matt Frattin agreed.

J.Staal?

I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but I've always felt he's been over-hyped. What's odd is that a lot of the hype was based around him being so "underrated" for so long.

We kept hearing, "Jordan Staal is one of the most underrated players in the league," so many times that it turned into actual hype. Then, too much hype.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Definitely a similar story as well, and I'll even say this, as overhyped as J. Staal has been, I still think he's and will be a better player than Brayden Schenn.

Matt Frattin and Brayden Schenn are two different stories. Schenn was picked in the top 5, and ranked the best prospect last year...for someone overhyped like that, you'd think they'd have much more to bring to the table.
- ThePresident

I'm simply stating it's a little unfair to label a prospect a bust after less than a full season of NHL hockey under his belt. Especially a prospect who scored the most points by a Canadian in a single WJC tourney.

Matt Frattin and Brayden Schenn are two different stories. Schenn was picked in the top 5, and ranked the best prospect last year...for someone overhyped like that, you'd think they'd have much more to bring to the table.
- ThePresident

again, you are making some pretty sweeping statements based on an incredibly small sample size.

His Jr and AHL numbers are exceptional. Better than Kadri's overall. KAdri's also had more time in the AHL, and had a more consistent developement process (with Marlies).

And again,
Schenn is almost a full year younger than Kadri.

You're an excellent judge of talent.

Matthew Lombardi told me so.

Matt Frattin agreed.
- prock

Do you ever have anything of value to add to a conversation? Or do you just critique what people think without adding your own view of the actual situation?

How about this?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson is better than either of them so everybody looks foolish!

Do you ever have anything of value to add to a conversation? Or do you just critique what people think without adding your own view of the actual situation?
- ThePresident

Personally, I would say that it IS adding value, in bringing up the fact that in the past, you've been a tremendously poor judge of talent and capabilities.

again, you are making some pretty sweeping statements based on an incredibly small sample size.

His Jr and AHL numbers are exceptional. Better than Kadri's overall. KAdri's also had more time in the AHL, and had a more consistent developement process (with Marlies).

And again,
Schenn is almost a full year younger than Kadri.
- Big_Lightnin

Apparently all that doesn't matter because the President must know something we don't.

How about this?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson is better than either of them so everybody looks foolish!
- AdamFrench

Oh ya well Mario Lemieux was better than all three of them combined. Who looks foolish now?

I'm simply stating it's a little unfair to label a prospect a bust after less than a full season of NHL hockey under his belt. Especially a prospect who scored the most points by a Canadian in a single WJC tourney.
- 1979AD

Sorry but ur wrong

BUST

Oh ya well Mario Lemieux was better than all three of them combined. Who looks foolish now?
- 1979AD

Craig Redmond?

How about this?

Oliver Ekman-Larsson is better than either of them so everybody looks foolish!
- AdamFrench

He's a bust 2

Personally, I would say that it IS adding value, in bringing up the fact that in the past, you've been a tremendously poor judge of talent and capabilities.
- prock

Tremendously poor judge of talent because I said Lombardi has the potential to be the bounceback player for the Leafs, considering his poor season after recovering from injury and his previous seasons where he showed capable of contributing. He got traded, alright, do I still believe he can bounceback from last season, yeah I do.

Frattin, has surprised me, but do I think he's that great, no. Obviuosly you do, and you overrate him. My statement was, I heard rumors that the Kings wanted Frattin for Bernier straight up, I stated I'd do it in a heartbeat. I believe Bernier has more potential than Frattin. The jury is still out, but in my opinion, nobody would be mentioning Frattin if he were on the Islanders as a player to look out for. I still think he's expendable, yes he's playing good, but I see him being at most a 40 point player. Replacable.

again, you are making some pretty sweeping statements based on an incredibly small sample size.

His Jr and AHL numbers are exceptional. Better than Kadri's overall. KAdri's also had more time in the AHL, and had a more consistent developement process (with Marlies).

And again,
Schenn is almost a full year younger than Kadri.
- Big_Lightnin

Kadri will pay dividends when the Leafs are in a shoot-out.

Brayden did well in the playoffs last year for a bust. Really guys, the same argument I made the last however many years regarding Cody Hodgson and Kadri applies here. Too soon to write him off.