Kane doesnt need that right now.
- nickmo2699

talking about players who got brand new deals then got shipped out very next year

Can I get fries with that?

Bickell can pass and maintain a cycle. Frolik cannot.

6 of one half dozen of another. Both are 1 million dollar players, no more, in my perfect delusional world.
- fattybeef

Bickell does not bring it night in and night out. Frolik has worked hard every opportunity. Bickell is a waste of size and talent and does not accomplish anything. Being able to pass and maintain a cycle? Since when is this a barometer for comparing NHL players? If you cant pass or cycle then what are you doing at that level? Frolik has killed penalties exceptionally this season. Bickell is a no show til all of a sudden he gets open ice and lets a rocket go, and that happens once every three or four games. Frolik might have had issues putting the puck in the net last year, however, he is always around the puck and getting chances.

The Blackhawks have 20 even strength goals, 2nd most in the NHL.

talking about players who got brand new deals then got shipped out very next year
- FourFeathers773

There seem to be a few out there (Kaberle, Setoguchi, J. Carter).... maybe it's not as rare as I thought. Thanks for pointing those out. If anyone can think of others, feel free to chime in.

Jeff Carter anyone?
- FourFeathers773

We should have had him last year, if I remember correctly JJ said Stan made a run at getting him (correct me if I'm wrong). Carter has underperformed big time, but so has most of the Kings. I'd like to have Carter on the team and while his cap hit isn't that bad I don't know how it could fit into our plans going forward. We get got Carter I would think that would be the end of Bolland in Chicago.

There seem to be a few out there (Kaberle, Setoguchi, J. Carter).... maybe it's not as rare as I thought. Thanks for pointing those out. If anyone can think of others, feel free to chime in.
- MartiniMan

Setoguchi wasn't a year later, it was a day later. He signed a year deal on June 23, 2011 then was dealt on June 24 to Minnesota.

Setoguchi wasn't a year later, it was a day later. He signed a year deal on June 23, 2011 then was dealt on June 24 to Minnesota.
- DarthKane

True, I remember that now.

Bickell does not bring it night in and night out. Frolik has worked hard every opportunity. Bickell is a waste of size and talent and does not accomplish anything. Being able to pass and maintain a cycle? Since when is this a barometer for comparing NHL players? If you cant pass or cycle then what are you doing at that level? Frolik has killed penalties exceptionally this season. Bickell is a no show til all of a sudden he gets open ice and lets a rocket go, and that happens once every three or four games. Frolik might have had issues putting the puck in the net last year, however, he is always around the puck and getting chances.
- nickmo2699

Disagree. Bickell brings it but not in the way that you may think a 6'4 230 lb giant should. He is positionally sound, skates very well and has a + wrist shot. Again he can make a pass and maintain a cycle which Frolik cannot. For a depth player... Being able to maintain a cycle and wear down the opposing teams D is insanely important.

The fact that he doesn't rail people on a consistent basis or have a power move to speak of only means you get a defensively reliable big man who can skate for cheap. Is what it is.

Frolik can kill penalties and tries super hard. Neither are worth more than 1 million dollars per year in my opinion and both have pretended to be goal scorers early in their career.

We should have had him last year, if I remember correctly JJ said Stan made a run at getting him (correct me if I'm wrong). Carter has underperformed big time, but so has most of the Kings. I'd like to have Carter on the team and while his cap hit isn't that bad I don't know how it could fit into our plans going forward. We get got Carter I would think that would be the end of Bolland in Chicago.
- DarthKane

I feel like Carter is a piece of garbage. Also chronic foot problems. So many more players with less baggage who would cost just as much and aren't signed until the end of time.

The Hawks already have Sharp... Really don't need another floater who rips shots at every opportunity and prefers not to play center.

Disagree. Bickell brings it but not in the way that you may think a 6'4 230 lb giant should. He is positionally sound, skates very well and has a + wrist shot. Again he can make a pass and maintain a cycle which Frolik cannot. For a depth player... Being able to maintain a cycle and wear down the opposing teams D is insanely important.

The fact that he doesn't rail people on a consistent basis or have a power move to speak of only means you get a defensively reliable big man who can skate for cheap. Is what it is.

Frolik can kill penalties and tries super hard. Neither are worth more than 1 million dollars per year in my opinion and both have pretended to be goal scorers early in their career.
- fattybeef

I would give Frolick some shoot out and power play time and I would do the same for Stalberg

Shake it up a little

Both players need a confidence boost and what better way to give t to them

They may also surprise and score a few

With the Hawks record in both it couldn't hurt

I feel like Carter is a piece of garbage. Also chronic foot problems. So many more players with less baggage who would cost just as much and aren't signed until the end of time.

The Hawks already have Sharp... Really don't need another floater who rips shots at every opportunity and prefers not to play center.
- fattybeef

Bingo not a Carter fan

Calgary will become the obvious trading partner if they sink much faster in the standings the next 12 games

The Blackhawks have 20 even strength goals, 2nd most in the NHL.
- scottak

Ignore first 2 games and extra time...Hawks have 14 goals in last 7 games, all 1 goal games, 5 went to extra time.

That's livin' on the edge. Hawks need more production.

Saad may "look good", but 0 points playing wing on top line is a problem.

Personally, I want smart, 2 way play with zero production from my 4th liners.

Bingo not a Carter fan

Calgary will become the obvious trading partner if they sink much faster in the standings the next 12 games
- PEIHawkFan

Feaster seems to be one of the few GMs that will even trade with Stan. Granted, the trades between the two have been low-impact moves, but at least there have been moves made in the past.

Is Mcneil an option for mving to wing from center in our farm system. He seems to have the physical makup to play power forward and we have quite a few center prospects
- molly2522

He'll probably be a winger in the pros

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Dave Bolland is on the ice for #Blackhawks in practice in San Jose.

Feaster seems to be one of the few GMs that will even trade with Stan. Granted, the trades between the two have been low-impact moves, but at least there have been moves made in the past.
- prd797

Who would be worth getting from the Flames? If you say Bouwmeester you're asking for a lifetime ban from JJ's boards.


We all know Iginla would be awesome, but I don't see that happening.

Who would be worth getting from the Flames? If you say Bouwmeester you're asking for a lifetime ban from JJ's boards.


We all know Iginla would be awesome, but I don't see that happening.
- DarthKane

Well I'd have loved Kipper a few years ago when he had less mileage. I feel the same way about Iggy. Always liked Tanguay as a playmaker though, seems his cap hit is fairly low for a 33 year old, but his contract length isn't great.

Anyone want Glencross?

Who would be worth getting from the Flames? If you say Bouwmeester you're asking for a lifetime ban from JJ's boards.


We all know Iginla would be awesome, but I don't see that happening.
- DarthKane

I'll go there. What about J. Bouwmeester?

Matt Stajan 52.6% at the dot, signed for the next two years at 3.5mill per.

Who would be worth getting from the Flames? If you say Bouwmeester you're asking for a lifetime ban from JJ's boards.


We all know Iginla would be awesome, but I don't see that happening.
- DarthKane

The more I watch Bouwmeester play the more I like him. You'd think he sucks listening to people talk about him but take away the salary and he's a damn fine player.

That said I think if the hawks could pry glencross from Calgary he'd be a nice gritty top line winger with a low cap hit (much better than Carcillo there). I know he missed a few open nets against you guys but he's still a solid all-around player imo. No sure what he'd cost.

Well I'd have loved Kipper a few years ago when he had less mileage. I feel the same way about Iggy. Always liked Tanguay as a playmaker though, seems his cap hit is fairly low for a 33 year old, but his contract length isn't great.

Anyone want Glencross?
- prd797

Kipper is really run into the ground at this point, not sure he posts anymore years like he did last year anymore.

This is what lundqvist, cam ward, and ryan miller will be like in 3-4 years. blasting away for 70 games a year when youre an athletic goalie will hit you like a brick wall

Ignore first 2 games and extra time...Hawks have 14 goals in last 7 games, all 1 goal games, 5 went to extra time.

That's livin' on the edge. Hawks need more production.

Saad may "look good", but 0 points playing wing on top line is a problem.

Personally, I want smart, 2 way play with zero production from my 4th liners.
- ArlingtonRob

Sharp has not scored a goal in 5 games but has two assists.

"Shooter" isn't doing much in that regard. More concerned about a 31 year old eating 5.9/per floating and jumping the zone than a rookie who you could argue as being thrown in over his head. The 2nd line is 100% the other Patrick's show and he is bringing the thunder.

If Hossa wasn't having such a monster year so far I would toss Kane in there for Hart consideration.

Well I'd have loved Kipper a few years ago when he had less mileage. I feel the same way about Iggy. Always liked Tanguay as a playmaker though, seems his cap hit is fairly low for a 33 year old, but his contract length isn't great.

Anyone want Glencross?
- prd797

I'd take Glencross. I wonder how he'd feel about joining the Hawks after being stymied by Razor so many times on Saturday.

I'll go there. What about J. Bouwmeester?

Matt Stajan 52.6% at the dot, signed for the next two years at 3.5mill per.
- Beaver-Warrior

Yeah Stajan seems like a nice option. Other guys who've been doing well faceoff-wise that I've looked at (in no particular order):

Tyler Bozak (26)- 58.1% 111/80-191, 1.4 million cap hit for 1 year

Paul Stastny (27)- 52.3% 79/72-151, 6.6 million cap hit for 2 years

Boyd Gordon(29)- 56.3% 85/66-151, 1.325 million cap hit for one year

Michal Handzus(35)- 57.5% 65/48-113, 2.5 million cap hit for one year (also good in the coin toss....I mean shootout)

Vernon Fiddler(32)- 50.9% 58/56-114, 1.8 million cap hit for two years (does a great bieksa imitation )

This may be a silly question, but is there a LTIR in the off season? Montador was placed on the injury reserve on January 19, 2013. If he was injured why wasn't he already in the LTIR?
- DarthKane

OK. Makes sense now... Jan 19th was the 1st game of the season for the Hawks... that's why SB waited to put Monty on LTIR (because there is no off-season LTIR). He couldn't do it before then which is why Monty's cap affects the compliant cap space before game one (thus they have to consider his cap hit during the off-season when making moves). Now since he is on LTIR they can make additional moves this season up to $2.75 million above the cap (although this is where it gets confusing). They are banking cap right now so they can make a move by the TDL if SB wanted too.

Here is some more info thats pretty good about 'banking' cap

http://flyersfaithful.com...ong-term-injured-reserve/

OK. Makes sense now... Jan 19th was the 1st game of the season for the Hawks... that's why SB waited to put Monty on LTIR (because there is no off-season LTIR). He couldn't do it before then which is why Monty's cap affects the compliant cap space before game one (thus they have to consider his cap hit during the off-season when making moves). Now since he is on LTIR they can make additional moves this season up to $2.75 million above the cap (although this is where it gets confusing). They are banking cap right now so they can make a move by the TDL if SB wanted too.

Here is some more info thats pretty good about 'banking' cap

http://flyersfaithful.com...ong-term-injured-reserve/
- moylander

So if there is no LTIR in the summer both Montador and Olesz can be bought out. Correct?