Whitney's a rental. He has trade value...as small as it may be...because if he doesn't work out, a team isn't stuck with a big, ugly contract to deal with.

Are people just in denial that the cap ceiling is going down next season, not up? Half the teams in the league will be scrambling to clear cap.
- Maxbone

I thought they already decided what the cap was for next yeaR?

Agreed. If the team continues to take penalties like they have been I dont like where it is heading. Hopefully Lander and Petrell/Paajarvi(?) can fill in adequately.
- sanfordnson

I think that's our problem. We need the other vets on this team to step up, we need the Eberle/Hall/Yak to play smarter.

I think that's our problem. We need the other vets on this team to step up, we need the Eberle/Hall/Yak to play smarter.
- Lahey

and without Horcoff and Belanger, the puck posession game will take a hit. Our two best faceoff guys are out. They're all going to have to play smarter.

I thought they already decided what the cap was for next yeaR?
- Lahey

For this season, the cap ceiling this season is $60mil, but teams are allowed to spend to $70mil. I know, it makes no sense, but that's how it is. in 2013/2014, the cap ceiling will be $64.3mil and the cap floor will be $44mil. From 2014/2015 on, the cap ceiling will be set to 50% of HRR, and the floor will be $16mil less.

Agreed. If the team continues to take penalties like they have been I dont like where it is heading. Hopefully Lander and Petrell/Paajarvi(?) can fill in adequately.
- sanfordnson

Take or officiating hate??? Most of this years calls were BS against the oil and NO thats not with Oil goggles on just yet...
Belanger was looking very solid this year... He is so damn awesome at draws and he was actually offensive a few games too... It sucks to have injury alter his momentum... Horcoff wins draws... and is good from the oppositions blue line to our goaltender... anything offensive is horrendous... and please for the love of wins Kreuger- keep Smyth off the (frank)ing power play!!!!!!!!

Take or officiating hate??? Most of this years calls were BS against the oil and NO thats not with Oil goggles on just yet...
Belanger was looking very solid this year... He is so damn awesome at draws and he was actually offensive a few games too... It sucks to have injury alter his momentum... Horcoff wins draws... and is good from the oppositions blue line to our goaltender... anything offensive is horrendous... and please for the love of wins Kreuger- keep Smyth off the (frank)ing power play!!!!!!!!
- saskoil21

Every team's fans say that. Complaining about the refs is going to get you nowhere.

I say we have a chance to win if hemsky can make his passes tonight and actually pass the puck to Yakupov once in a while... I think opposition is having a tough time with our top 6 - obviously not physically but damn we actually have a solid top 2 lines in hockey- if they continue to gel look out! What would make us better is for Nuge to pot in a goal to gain some confidence back... mind you I am loving his defensive play and aggression... no one mentions this... but for as small as he is wt wise he has been throwing hits too

Ya as was I, he was actually looking good between Harti and PRV.
- longbottom

For sure besides the hall ebs nuge line was my fav to watch love the way harti digs in and grinds behind the net also pvr was starting to look good with his play hopefully he keeps it up bow that he's back I really wanna see the kid succeed in edm

(frank)ing officials - cost the 49ers the superbowl... I cant stop ... after this last weekend I am not sure what was more painful - Oilers losing to the Avs or the 49ers losing as hockey is #1

For this season, the cap ceiling this season is $60mil, but teams are allowed to spend to $70mil. I know, it makes no sense, but that's how it is. in 2013/2014, the cap ceiling will be $64.3mil and the cap floor will be $44mil. From 2014/2015 on, the cap ceiling will be set to 50% of HRR, and the floor will be $16mil less.
- Maxbone

Why will horcoff need to be bought out to get under 64 million?

For sure besides the hall ebs nuge line was my fav to watch love the way harti digs in and grinds behind the net also pvr was starting to look good with his play hopefully he keeps it up bow that he's back I really wanna see the kid succeed in edm
- oil_country1404

This

(frank)ing officials - cost the 49ers the superbowl... I cant stop ... after this last weekend I am not sure what was more painful - Oilers losing to the Avs or the 49ers losing as hockey is #1
- saskoil21

Huh? How do you figure? That play at the end? That just as easily could have been called offensive pass interference. Good non-call by the officials.

Shawn Horcoff has ZERO trade value. The Oilers would have moved him 100 times by now if he had a trade value.
- Maxbone

Just like Luongo, Horcoff's contract is the albatross to his trade. As the amount of actual money owed drops so does the opposite action of his trade.

Huh? How do you figure? That play at the end? That just as easily could have been called offensive pass interference. Good non-call by the officials.
- sanfordnson

You cousins with Phil Simms?? Cause many analysts said that there should have been a call... the defender had 2 arms around Crab... further this will be discussed for some time...

You cousins with Phil Simms?? Cause many analysts said that there should have been a call... the defender had 2 arms around Crab...
- saskoil21

and look at Crabtree shove off. Guess what? Cant do that. Refs let em battle and Crabtree lost. Pass likely would have been out of his reach anyways.

Rentals are meant to help push teams over the hump, not be projects. Look at the numbers. Khabi being done alone makes the cap ceiling not much of an issue. They're not buying out Horc.
- sanfordnson

You cannot argue with him...he has a source.

and look at Crabtree shove off. Guess what? Cant do that. Refs let em battle and Crabtree lost. Pass likely would have been out of his reach anyways.
- sanfordnson

I guess some see it differently... there I think you could coin flip it IMO... either way its a hot topic... but in all reality as I had a chance to sleep over it... It boggles me why the 9ers did not try Gore or Kaep.. they truly had 4 plays to get it in... further they were still tangling passed the line of scrimmage-- in the game I was watching the review on the opposite camera angle

and look at Crabtree shove off. Guess what? Cant do that. Refs let em battle and Crabtree lost. Pass likely would have been out of his reach anyways.
- sanfordnson

I think you are right... if crab doesnt push off in clear view maybe they get the call???

I guess some see it differently... there I think you could coin flip it IMO... either way its a hot topic... but in all reality as I had a chance to sleep over it... I boggles me why the 9ers did not try Gore or Kaep.. they truly had 4 plays to get it in...
- saskoil21

Exactly. Their play calling in the redzone was awful all game. and before the power outage they were really getting their asses handed to them. I rooted for the Ravens mainly because I despise Jim Harbaugh and his tantrums but even I was mystified as to why the Niners didn't go to Gore. Ravens were waiting for Kaep down low. They weren't going to give him anything.

I think you are right... if crab doesnt push off in clear view maybe they get the call???
- saskoil21

Maybe...but legally would have been off-setting calls so no call was the right decision.

Maybe...but legally would have been off-setting calls so no call was the right decision.
- sanfordnson

Off setting calls is still a replay the down I do believe.

Off setting calls is still a replay the down I do believe.
- OilHorse

Yeah. Still think it was the right no-call. Let em fight it out. At least saskoil is being reasonable about it. Niners fans on twitter were making me want to vomit with their crying. Even worse was Harbaugh crying about it after the game. Im not even a fan of either team but (frank)in Jim Harbaugh is the most annoying and whiny coach in the NFL.


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(frank)ing officials - cost the 49ers the superbowl... I cant stop ... after this last weekend I am not sure what was more painful - Oilers losing to the Avs or the 49ers losing as hockey is #1
- saskoil21

(frank) you.... The Ravens were the better team.

Enough foosball talk. Nuge pots his first goal of the year tonight. Oilers lose 4-3.

Maybe...but legally would have been off-setting calls so no call was the right decision.
- sanfordnson

further- at the saftey- how in the (frank) was there no holding calls on that play??? Ridiculous!