But yet, you wouldn't trade JT Miller for a souped up Ryan Callahan?
- Pete V

Kreider is going to be needed when they can't resign Gaborik at the end of next season. Just not enough goal scorers on this team to throw away.

I like Miller, dammit, insults be damned.
- MidnightMarauder

I think you like the idea of JT Miller. An empty slate that you can project all your hopes and dreams upon, because you have yet to be exposed to his faults.

Serious contract dispute right now. The Avs are offering about $3.5 million. He wants north of $4 million. It would probably take Kreider, and even then, the Rangers would need to find away to make the money work.
- Pete V

throw in rupp just for the money sake. gonna have to add in picks and prospects though.

But yet, you wouldn't trade JT Miller for a souped up Ryan Callahan?
- Pete V

They would probably have to deal either Miller or Kreider to acquire O'Reilly. He is a kid too, only 22 years old.

I think you like the idea of JT Miller. An empty slate that you can project all your hopes and dreams upon, because you have yet to be exposed to his faults.
- Pete V

I can't wait to settle this once and for all. Either the pro/anti Miller side is going to be eating a large helping of crow.

I think you like the idea of JT Miller. An empty slate that you can project all your hopes and dreams upon, because you have yet to be exposed to his faults.
- Pete V

True, plus if they ever acquired O'Reilly for a Kreider or Miller, they aren't giving up on their future. O'Reilly is young himself.

I can't wait to settle this once and for all. Either the pro/anti Miller side is going to be eating a large helping of crow.
- TPC

I am not anti-JT Miller. I am anti-JT Miller is the best player since Gretz. The idea of not being willing to trade Miller for O'Reilly is just absurd, because if JT Miller ever reached O'Reilly's level, we would be doing summersaults.

We shouldn't turn Miller into something he's not.

I can't wait to settle this once and for all. Either the pro/anti Miller side is going to be eating a large helping of crow.
- TPC

I think Miller can be the real deal but we shall see I suppose.

I think Miller can be the real deal but we shall see I suppose.
- MidnightMarauder

A 80 point player? A 70 point player? A second liner? A third liner?

What's the bar, because I don't ever recall saying that I don't think JT Miller will be a good second or third line NHL player.

I am not anti-JT Miller. I am anti-JT Miller is the best player since Gretz. The idea of not being willing to trade Miller for O'Reilly is just absurd, because if JT Miller ever reached O'Reilly's level, we would be doing summersaults.

We shouldn't turn Miller into something he's not.
- Pete V

Truth is nobody knows how good or bad Miller might be. I know you have seen him play in the OHL, but he looked mighty good for team USA, as we was tied for the tournament lead in points I believe.

I am not anti-JT Miller. I am anti-JT Miller is the best player since Gretz. The idea of not being willing to trade Miller for O'Reilly is just absurd, because if JT Miller ever reached O'Reilly's level, we would be doing summersaults.

We shouldn't turn Miller into something he's not.
- Pete V

But where is the money coming from?

Edit: he's only 21. If hes really cally with more offensive upside how you don't trade miller is beyond me. Kreider no though. He showed me enough in the playoffs that he can be a power forward scoring winger. Like you said we want jt miller to be orielly and hes only 21

A 80 point player? A 70 point player? A second liner? A third liner?

What's the bar, because I don't ever recall saying that I don't think JT Miller will be a good second or third line NHL player.
- Pete V

I never claimed you did say anything of that nature about him. I just think he can turn out to be a good player if given the chance, that is all I am saying.

Right now, of course O'Reilly is by far the better player...that's not even a debate. I guess what I am saying is, we both can be right, hahaha

But where is the money coming from?
- mrhattrick27

I already said that the money would be an issue, and likely makes the deal unrealistic.

But where is the money coming from?
- mrhattrick27

Rangers have over three million in current cap space. If they can somehow rid themselves of Asham or Rupp's deal, the money is there for him to get here.

I never claimed you did say anything of that nature about him. I just think he can turn out to be a good player if given the chance, that is all I am saying.

Right now, of course O'Reilly is by far the better player...that's not even a debate. I guess what I am saying is, we both can be right, hahaha
- MidnightMarauder

I got you Midnight. I don't like being considered an Anti-JT Miller guys because I'm the furthest thing from that. I just see a solid second line player that reminds me a hell of alot of Brandon Dubinsky before he started to suck ass.

Rangers have over three million in current cap space. If they can somehow rid themselves of Asham or Rupp's deal, the money is there for him to get here.
- MidnightMarauder

Forget this year. I'm talking next year and beyond. He's 21. He'd be adding to our core.

I am not anti-JT Miller. I am anti-JT Miller is the best player since Gretz. The idea of not being willing to trade Miller for O'Reilly is just absurd, because if JT Miller ever reached O'Reilly's level, we would be doing summersaults.

We shouldn't turn Miller into something he's not.
- Pete V

Yea fair enough. Kreider and Miller are the two prospects I have always had a crush on since we drafted them. Really want to see them get a chance to prove themselves with the Ranges. I would rather keep them both.

I got you Midnight. I don't like being considered an Anti-JT Miller guys because I'm the furthest thing frm that. I just see a solid second line player that reminds me a hell of alot of Brandon Dubinsky before he started to suck ass.
- Pete V

I agree. People overvalue prospects and the unknown. I never got why last year some people valued erixon more than dz or that he made dz expendable. That to me was mind blowing.

Forget this year. I'm talking next year and beyond. He's 21. He'd be adding to our core.
- mrhattrick27

O'Reilly is worth pursuing is my point. Will it happen? Probably not, but it couldn't hurt to call up Colorado, that's all.

Yea fair enough. Kreider and Miller are two of the prospects I have always had a crush on since we drafted them. Really want to see them get a chance to prove themselves with the Ranges. I would rather keep them both.
- TPC

Forget money and cap. In a hockey deal you wouldn't trade miller in a deal for oreilly? Kreider I get. In the playoffs there were times he was our best player. He at least proved something to me. Miller hasn't ever even put on a jersey. We'd be getting a player that's a year older for god's sake. Just as much upside, and future benifit to the team. Like Pete said money is the only issue or I make a call.

I agree. People overvalue prospects and the unknown. I never got why last year some people valued erixon more than dz or that he made dz expendable. That to me was mind blowing.
- mrhattrick27

Erixon is not a Rangers draft pick though, that was Calgary's first round pick from 2009. Del Zotto is going to continue to get better for the Rangers. Happy with his progression.

I agree. People overvalue prospects and the unknown. I never got why last year some people valued erixon more than dz or that he made dz expendable. That to me was mind blowing.
- mrhattrick27

I just think its human nature. It's easy to have nothing but positive thoughts for players when you don't get to see their warts on a nightly basis. Michael Del Zotto made the mistake of making the team when he was too young, growing, and making mistakes in front of our very eyes. The guy is absurdly good for a 22 year old defensemen, and yet he doesn't get the respect he deserves, because we have seen him fail.

Maybe its just better to bang coeds in college for a few years, because everybody, not burdened by seeing you fail as a young player, will think you're Mike Bossy

What happened with Malkin and Staal? Saw a replay but couldn't tell why they were making a big deal of it.

Forget money and cap. In a hockey deal you wouldn't trade miller in a deal for oreilly? Kreider I get. In the playoffs there were times he was our best player. He at least proved something to me. Miller hasn't ever even put on a jersey. We'd be getting a player that's a year older for god's sake. Just as much upside, and future benifit to the team. Like Pete said money is the only issue or I make a call.
- mrhattrick27

I really haven't watched O'Reilly at all. Maybe if i saw some of his games I would change my mind.

What happened with Malkin and Staal? Saw a replay but couldn't tell why they were making a big deal of it.
- nfph

Malkin chopped Staal on top of Staal's head, while in a wrestling match with Staal, behind the Rangers net.

Refs didn't catch that and it could have been really dangerous.