"This one time during sex Icalled Lois Frank, your move Sherlock."
- Deasr1

Great episode.

Great show.

And I guess Knuble used to be. Hopefully Couturier develops some of that characteristic himself.


But...other than that...
- MBFlyerfan

Knuble isnt much of a pwr fwd these days..

Love that top line.

Hopefully something good will come out of a shakeup
- Giroux_Is_God

I dont like Simmonds playing top line minutes right now. The guy has taken dumb penalty after dumb penalty.

That said, I guess we don't have many other options right now.

I dont like Simmonds playing top line minutes right now. The guy has taken dumb penalty after dumb penalty.

That said, I guess we don't have many other options right now.
- hereticpride

Hell he at least gets his name on the stat sheet.. the other 11 guys dont deserve paychecks atm

I dont like Simmonds playing top line minutes right now. The guy has taken dumb penalty after dumb penalty.

That said, I guess we don't have many other options right now.
- hereticpride

I was just going to say that. I think Simmer has been one of the most consistent players for them this season. He battles hard along the boards, normally wins them, and seems to always be buzzing around a scoring chance.

Best option available. Who else would get "rewarded" for their play by getting top line minutes, ya know?

I dont like Simmonds playing top line minutes right now. The guy has taken dumb penalty after dumb penalty.

That said, I guess we don't have many other options right now.
- hereticpride

he's certainly taken a couple of dumb penalties this year, but he's also the closest thing on the team to Hartnell.

I think he'll do really well, and I'm looking forward to that line.

And I guess Knuble used to be. Hopefully Couturier develops some of that characteristic himself.


But...other than that...
- MBFlyerfan

McGinn looks like he can be a decent power forward. He was getting PP time in that role when he was in the lineup. I wouldn't put him on the top line or anything now, but he shows signs of possibly developing into a player in the mold of a Knuble.

JVR playing extremely well tonite...similar to plyoffs of 2 yrs ago. very dynamic when he's on.

JVR playing extremely well tonite...similar to plyoffs of 2 yrs ago. very dynamic when he's on.
- isaiah520

I truly believe him and Luke needed a change of scenery...JVR would have never lived up to expectations in Philly and same went for Luke. For the short term Flyers will miss JVR but in the long term its the smart trade.

JVR playing extremely well tonite...similar to plyoffs of 2 yrs ago. very dynamic when he's on.
- isaiah520

He's still a net zero. Everyone is saying how well Carle is playing and he has the second worst +/- of 25 players. Scoring is great, but you have to play D as well.

I truly believe him and Luke needed a change of scenery...JVR would have never lived up to expectations in Philly and same went for Luke. For the short term Flyers will miss JVR but in the long term its the smart trade.
- flyerfan28

JVR never fit here. Im glad hes doing well now... but I cant keep comparing the two. We got a 25 minute a night D guy for a guy that didnt fit. Im happy with that. This team was never going to be built around JVR.

He's still a net zero. Everyone is saying how well Carle is playing and he has the second worst +/- of 25 players. Scoring is great, but you have to play D as well.
- jstross

+/- isn't necessarily an indicator of how a player is playing defense.

+/- isn't an indicator of how a player is playing defense.
- MJL

Comparative to his teammates, IMO, it's the most important statistic.

Luke Schenn, by all accounts has played extremely well. He has the best +/- on the team. Carle is scoring well, but his plus minus is just about the worst on his team. I understand the differential due to the special teams you play on, but +/- is by far the most important stat when looked at relatively.

Comparative to his teammates, IMO, it's the most important statistic.

Luke Schenn, by all accounts has played extremely well. He has the best +/- on the team. Carle is scoring well, but his plus minus is just about the worst on his team. I understand the differential due to the special teams you play on, but +/- is by far the most important stat when looked at relatively.
- jstross

Other then shorthanded goals scored, special teams don't affect +/-. What you're not considering is how a player is used. Players who are consistently put out against other teams top lines, are going to have a lower +/-, then a player who is consistently put out on offensive situations. Doesn't mean they're bad defensively. Also a player can be out on the ice for 3 goals against in a game. And he had his check and played his position perfectly, on all 3 goals against.

+/- tells you one thing, and one thing only. Whether a player is on the ice for more goals for, or against over the course of a Season. That's it.

Other then a shorthanded goals scored, special teams don't affect +/-. What you're not considering is how a player is used. Players who are consistently put out against other teams top lines, are going to have a lower +/-, then a player who is consistently put out on offensive situations. Doesn't mean they're bad defensively. Also a player can be out on the ice for 3 goals against in a game. And he had his check and played his position perfectly, on all 3 goals against.

+/- tells you one thing, and one thing only. Whether a player is on the ice for more goals for, or against over the course of a Season. That's it.
- MJL

Defenders generally aren't making line changes when the puck is in there zone. If the plur or minus is extreme enough its kind of telling.

Defenders generally aren't making line changes when the puck is in there zone. If the plur or minus is extreme enough its kind of telling.
- hereticpride

Don't see what that has to do with it. It is telling when it's extreme. But it's not telling whether a player is a good defensive player or not. I've seen plenty of situations where a very good defenseman played on a bad team, and had a very poor plus minus. Due to the situations and the team he was on. That is how the stat is misused and why so many doubt it and it's relevance. High on the plus side, and the player is very good defensively. Low on the minus side, and the player is poor defensively. Sometimes that is accurate, but not always.

The only thing it tells you is if a player is on the ice for more goals for, or more goals against.

I truly believe him and Luke needed a change of scenery...JVR would have never lived up to expectations in Philly and same went for Luke. For the short term Flyers will miss JVR but in the long term its the smart trade.
- flyerfan28

Blake wheeler needed out of BOS, but I'm not sure JVR was in that category. a pure goal scorer would look real good right now and we still need a puck moving dman.

I def take solace in Luke's play so far. if both players cross the rubicon, TOR got the better of the deal though. it'll prob take at least 2 yrs before we'll know.

Blake wheeler needed out of BOS, but I'm not sure JVR was in that category. a pure goal scorer would look real good right now and we still need a puck moving dman.

I def take solace in Luke's play so far. if both players cross the rubicon, TOR got the better of the deal though. it'll prob take at least 2 yrs before we'll know.
- isaiah520

All things being equal, I'll take a high minute, physical shut down defenseman over a goal scoring Winger anytime. Defense is a far more important position then Wing. They're all important, but defense is more important. If both meet their potential, then I'll take the Flyers side.

Other then shorthanded goals scored, special teams don't affect +/-. What you're not considering is how a player is used. Players who are consistently put out against other teams top lines, are going to have a lower +/-, then a player who is consistently put out on offensive situations. Doesn't mean they're bad defensively. Also a player can be out on the ice for 3 goals against in a game. And he had his check and played his position perfectly, on all 3 goals against.

+/- tells you one thing, and one thing only. Whether a player is on the ice for more goals for, or against over the course of a Season. That's it.
- MJL

It's a small sample at this point, but when you know what you're looking at +/- is a great indicator of effect. If you're out there against the #1 line and getting consistent minuses then mayber you shouldn't be out there.

You're basically saying metrics are useless. I disagree.

schenn is a bust

It's a small sample at this point, but when you know what you're looking at +/- is a great indicator of effect. If you're out there against the #1 line and getting consistent minuses then mayber you shouldn't be out there.

You're basically saying metrics are useless. I disagree.
- jstross

Not even close to saying that metrics are useless. I'm saying that they have to be interpreted in the right way. Looking at a player who is high on the plus side, doesn't automatically mean he is a good defensive player. Same as with a player who is a heavy minus.

Here's a stat for you. In the 10/11 Season, Matt Carle led the entire NHL in Plus games. That must mean he is great defensively.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...nus&viewName=gameMinimums

+/- isn't necessarily an indicator of how a player is playing defense.
- MJL

if you're good at defense you don't let in goals LOL

Not even close to saying that metrics are useless. I'm saying that they have to be interpreted in the right way. Looking at a player who is high on the plus side, doesn't automatically mean he is a good defensive player. Same as with a player who is a heavy minus.

Here's a stat for you. In the 10/11 Season, Matt Carle led the entire NHL in Plus games. That must mean he is great defensively.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...nus&viewName=gameMinimums
- MJL

Wow, were's his bad games? That's cherry picking stats. What was his overall +/-? What was his overall +/- comparative to his teammates? Small sample, but I'll stick by L. Schenn exceeding his teams +/- this year over Carle and JVR being sub par on their team +/- as Schenn out performing them.

Bryz has the 8th best GAA and is 4th in Save % for goalies who have appeared in 4 or more games

Wow, were's his bad games? That's cherry picking stats. What was his overall +/-? What was his overall +/- comparative to his teammates? Small sample, but I'll stick by L. Schenn exceeding his teams +/- this year over Carle and JVR being sub par on their team +/- as Schenn out performing them.
- jstross

It's not cherry picking anything. That is clearly showing that Carle was a plus player in more games then any other player in the NHL that Season. And that Season, Matt Carle was 6th in the NHL with a +30. So using the stat the way you want to use it. That says that Matt Carle was great defensively. In fact he was elite defensively by your standards of applying the stat.

But we all know that Carle at his best is just a solid defender, and nothing more in terms of his defensive play.