Give him one of those toys with shape slots, but then give him all the same shape blocks.
- Lahey

Where he comes from that is known as a 'date'.

Eberle + smid + a first

hall is worth more than yandle, but yakupov. i dont' think he has more value than yandle....obviously as an oiler fan, you do, but i dont' think gm's would feel the same way.
- sensarmy_11

I bet if you asked 30 NHL GM's they would overwhelmingly pick Yak over Yandle. I dont think Yandle would even get a single vote.

Eberle + smid + a first


- hugefemale dog77

Dont get me wrong either, I like Yandle but A) seems like the simple folk like him a little too much and overvalue him badly and B) Yandle is not really what we need.

If we went after anyone in Phoenix, Id rather look at a guy like Schlemko.

Dont get me wrong either, I like Yandle but A) seems like the simple folk like him a little too much and overvalue him badly and B) Yandle is not really what we need.

If we went after anyone in Phoenix, Id rather look at a guy like Schlemko.
- sanfordnson

Schlemko, Klesla, Michalek, (even though they just got him), even Gormley but he's unproven.

I feel like they might want a Dman back. They'd likely rather keep their two D wonders in the AHL to develop their games further than risk any regression. That being said, they have a butt ton of NHL quality Dmen so it may be within their interests to trade a Dman. I don't think their ownership group are particularly keen on trading a player that is a key piece in their team competing for anything below overpayment. Not impossible, mind you.

To find a comparable, I'll go back a few years to the Dan Boyle trade. Tampa received quality young Dman (Matt Carle), a solid junior-aged D prospect (Wishart), a 1st and a 4th in exchange for Dan Boyle (established veteran Dman) and Brad Lukowich (serviceable NHLer). While Dan Boyle was more accomplished Dman at the time of his trade, he was also on the wrong side of 30. As such, we'll call their relative value equal.

Trade Proposal & Breakdown:

To EDM:
Keith Yandle
Nick Johnson

To PHX:
Ladislav Smid
Martin Gernat
2013 1st
Conditional 2014 4th (if the Oilers make the playoffs in 2014)

As much as I hate the idea of trading away Smid, it was either him or Petry and I'd rather not trade him away. In Yandle, the Oilers get an accomplished left-handed offensively-minded Dman who makes their D a whole lot more mobile (Schultz, Schultz, Petry, and Yandle are all great skaters). In Smid and Gernat, Phoenix gets a hard working, defensive stalwart that plays a style I feel would fit very well with Dave Tippet's system and a young promising, offensively-gifted Dman coming up through the juniors. Obviously they also get a 1st in a deep draft. Likely mid-round, but it could be end up being high if the trade doesn't work out too well for the Oilers.

Oh yeah and Nick Johnson is a Calgary native. How much would it hurt for him to play for the Oilers?
- MaximumBone

Hahah you're such a (frank)ing idiot.

Dont get me wrong either, I like Yandle but A) seems like the simple folk like him a little too much and overvalue him badly and B) Yandle is not really what we need.

If we went after anyone in Phoenix, Id rather look at a guy like Schlemko.
- sanfordnson

I think its a little of both. overrate/underrate.
And yeah, yandle is a helluva good player. But he aint worth nuge or eberle by themselves. (Hall is close imo) Let alone with smid and a first! wtf is wrong with that dude?


And schlemko would be much cheaper

Ya just like no one was going to get Nash for spare parts....
- Iggysbff

Way different scenario, although PHX might take a package of players as they aren't exactly ran the best.

Dont get me wrong either, I like Yandle but A) seems like the simple folk like him a little too much and overvalue him badly and B) Yandle is not really what we need.

If we went after anyone in Phoenix, Id rather look at a guy like Schlemko.
- sanfordnson

What role does a Schlemko actually play though? I agree we probably don't need Yandle, but sometimes you take an upgrade when you can. That is if you can.

We should poach a vet dman out of Det for a younger prospect D if possible at the deadline. (assuming we make the playoffs and DET doesn't and goes rebuild)

I would love to get some of that leadership and DET presence in the room.

It's not like Whitney was playing top 4 minutes and we need a replacement asap and are forced into giving up one of our young stars.

Oh yeah and Nick Johnson is a Calgary native. How much would it hurt for him to play for the Oilers?
- MaximumBone

Ummmmmm.........zero? Does it hurt Taylor Hall to play for Edmonton? Does it hurt Eberle to spend his summers in Calgary? Does it hurt Iginla to play for Calgary?

By beauty I mean he sucks. On an unrelated note has anybody else been almost robbed with a brick?? tonight?

Ps: My hands are sore. I won!!
- al3535

Glad you're OK dude!

We should poach a vet dman out of Det for a younger prospect D if possible at the deadline. (assuming we make the playoffs and DET doesn't and goes rebuild)

It's not like Whitney was playing top 4 minutes and we need a replacement asap and are forced into giving up one of our young stars.
- yaktalksback

They don't exactly have anyone that I see them moving other than Kent Huskins.

Ummmmmm.........zero? Does it hurt Taylor Hall to play for Edmonton? Does it hurt Eberle to spend his summers in Calgary? Does it hurt Iginla to play for Calgary?
- The-O-G

Don't kid yourself that Nyquil isn't used for a cold, Iginla uses it to help him sleep at night.

Don't kid yourself that Nyquil isn't used for a cold, Iginla uses it to help him sleep at night.
- Lahey

I always knew something was up!!!

Poor bastard....after all these years....

This is going to sound dumb on the surface but the Coyotes have 10 returning players for next year and 32 mil space left. They have RFA's Boedker, E. - Larsson, Rundbald, Stone and a couple of smaller ones. Their goalies and Sullivan are UFA's. Depending what they do they can still come out of this with 20 million ish left. 4 mil below the cap and that is leaving room for a 4 mil goalie. Horcoff could play a key shut down role for them and eat up cap space while not costing the new owner actual money since he is only owed a small fraction of his cap hit. It would be a good way to stay over the floor and still keep the team profitable to the new owners.

Not that he would be the key trading piece but it would save us buying him out.

I am also am not sure if you are too generous on Smid's new contract. I think Del Zotto and PK set the tone for the value of Dmen. I like smid but I would trade him straight across for either of those guys. I don't think he can ask for a mil more than them. Who knows though, we have a tendency to overpay so we will see.

What I do know is that there are going to be lots of UFA's this year with the buyouts and the salary speculations. Edmonton might be able to get someone unthinkable normally for us at a great price if we can find a GM by then.

I thought the complaints were we need RHD?

Also N.Schultz is a LH defensive d-man as is Fistric.
- Lahey

Well the guy we get will be paited with Justin who is right handed.. I would imagine we would go left. The emphasis is more on someone that is responsible in his own end. Offence would be preferred in my oppinion.

Well the guy we get will be paited with Justin who is right handed.. I would imagine we would go left. The emphasis is more on someone that is responsible in his own end. Offence would be preferred in my oppinion.
- HitmanKiller12

I don't know that you want another offensive guy with Schultz.

This is going to sound dumb on the surface but the Coyotes have 10 returning players for next year and 32 mil space left. They have RFA's Boedker, E. - Larsson, Rundbald, Stone and a couple of smaller ones. Their goalies and Sullivan are UFA's. Depending what they do they can still come out of this with 20 million ish left. 4 mil below the cap and that is leaving room for a 4 mil goalie. Horcoff could play a key shut down role for them and eat up cap space while not costing the new owner actual money since he is only owed a small fraction of his cap hit. It would be a good way to stay over the floor and still keep the team profitable to the new owners.

Not that he would be the key trading piece but it would save us buying him out.

I am also am not sure if you are too generous on Smid's new contract. I think Del Zotto and PK set the tone for the value of Dmen. I like smid but I would trade him straight across for either of those guys. I don't think he can ask for a mil more than them. Who knows though, we have a tendency to overpay so we will see.

What I do know is that there are going to be lots of UFA's this year with the buyouts and the salary speculations. Edmonton might be able to get someone unthinkable normally for us at a great price if we can find a GM by then.
- bsteinley

The only reason the Yotes would trade Yandle is if they wanted to move some money...trading him for Horcoff? Not only is that ridiculously dumb, it defeats the whole purpose of the trade.

They don't exactly have anyone that I see them moving other than Kent Huskins.
- Lahey

That D is hurting in DET. Maybe we package up Marcanin for Franzen? No idea if DET would go for that or what Franzens value is currently.

I don't know that you want another offensive guy with Schultz.
- Lahey

Haha that's why I said responsible in his own end is most important and offence is a bonus. Ie a guy like ryan mcd would be defensive while oel would be two way. Oel would fit better but a guy like mcd would bring good stability to the backend.

That D is hurting in DET. Maybe we package up Marcanin for Franzen? No idea if DET would go for that or what Franzens value is currently.
- yaktalksback

Hahaha holy (frank)

That D is hurting in DET. Maybe we package up Marcanin for Franzen? No idea if DET would go for that or what Franzens value is currently.
- yaktalksback

Franzen is going to cost Marincin, 1st rounder and Gagner. That's if they even want Gagner. Regardless that will be the package top 6 forward, prospect and a 1st. Or top 4 d-man, prospect, and a 1st.

Again, i read here how you Oiler fans don't want to give anything up for a top 4 d-man & it really is hilarious.

The Coyotes aren't taking back salary, that's a guarantee. If & i say IF they move Yandle anywhere, it would be for a first rounder for sure plus prospect/s.

If you Oiler fans think you won't give up a 1st rounder this year, you're dreaming.

But then again, it's the same old thing with you Oiler fans, always expecting top players without giving top quality in return.

Don't stop dreaming, because it will never become reality.
- newmy

Has anyone explained to this genius that trading Yandle would drop Phoenix below the cap floor?

Don't be surprized, these are the same Oiler fans who thought the team could acquire Weber for a bag of pucks - LMAO!!
- newmy

and out come the idiots, Cloutier suggested that, and every single Oilers fan ripped into him for it.. get a (frank)ing clue you hurtin ass troll