are you actually comparing ryan whitney to keith yandle? a guy who's injured all the time, and who barely cracks the top 4 on most teams in the league, to a guy who's one of the top PMD's in the league?
- sensarmy_11

No he isn't. He's comparing a deal of Yandle for Hall/Yakupov would be equivalent to a deal of Whitney for Turris. I don't agree. Just clarifying.

Hall or Yakupov is not the right price.
- yaktalksback

hall is worth more than yandle, but yakupov. i dont' think he has more value than yandle....obviously as an oiler fan, you do, but i dont' think gm's would feel the same way.

Yandle is not getting moved for Hall or Yakupov. Would you trade Turris for Whitney? Exactly.
- yaktalksback

Hall, Yakupov, RNH and Eberle aren't playoffs proven, while Yandle pushed a mediocre team with a good system and good D far in the playoffs for the last years.

Oilers kids have potential, all 4 of them could end up top10 in points, but it's potential, not actual talent.

No he isn't. He's comparing a deal of Yandle for Hall/Yakupov would be equivalent to a deal of Whitney for Turris. I don't agree. Just clarifying.


- MaximumBone

atleast turris is productive.....whitney is a friggin calamity on skates.

i like your trade offer at the bottom, seems to be something that helps both teams long term.

as for yandle, being in the east i rarely get to see his games, so i'll take your word for his defensive shortcomings. however, his stats in that area seem to be pretty good (although i realize that stats can be misleading when talking about defense). he doesn't have an abnormal amount of turnovers for a PMD, decent amount of blocked shots, decent +/-. nothing about his stats suggest a great defensive player, but nothing screams "liability" either. i think he's worth atleast a top end prospect (yakupov or Klefbom and a 1st type deal.)
- sensarmy_11

Unfortunately, the Oilers don't really have many significant forward prospects. Perhaps a Ryan Martindale or Mark Arcobello. With the success they've had with Whitney and Sullivan (so far), I feel like that's the team that Arcobello would have the best shot at producing for.

are you actually comparing ryan whitney to keith yandle? a guy who's injured all the time, and who barely cracks the top 4 on most teams in the league, to a guy who's one of the top PMD's in the league?
- sensarmy_11

Is he also comparing Turris to Hall or Yak?

atleast turris is productive.....whitney is a friggin calamity on skates.
- sensarmy_11

Don't I know it...

Hall, Yakupov, RNH and Eberle aren't playoffs proven, while Yandle pushed a mediocre team with a good system and good D far in the playoffs for the last years.

Oilers kids have potential, all 4 of them could end up top10 in points, but it's potential, not actual talent.
- jdacosta

Actually it is actual talent.

are you actually comparing ryan whitney to keith yandle? a guy who's injured all the time, and who barely cracks the top 4 on most teams in the league, to a guy who's one of the top PMD's in the league?
- sensarmy_11

No I am not comparing Yandle to Whitney. The value between Yandle and your suggestions of Hall, Yakupov or Klefboom and a 1st is similar to the value between Turris and Whitney.

In other words I am saying I feel the same way about the offer you suggest as you feel about mine about Turris for Whitney.

You admit you don't watch the players, and you make these proposals.

Hall, Yakupov, RNH and Eberle aren't playoffs proven, while Yandle pushed a mediocre team with a good system and good D far in the playoffs for the last years.

Oilers kids have potential, all 4 of them could end up top10 in points, but it's potential, not actual talent.
- jdacosta

So Eberle is nothing until he plays in the playoffs? So because John Tavares has never played an playoff game, he's not on the same level as a Derek Stepan? Or Mike Rupp?

Also, Eberle was top-15 in scoring last season.

Actually it is actual talent.
- robin_steele264

I feel like that should be someone's location.

Is he also comparing Turris to Hall or Yak?
- robin_steele264

i wouldn't compare him to hall. but i'm pretty sure he's outperforming yakupov so far. not saying yak isn't gonna be a better player, however a turris/yakupov comparison is FAR LESS insane than a whitney/yandle comparison.

Coyotes can;t trade Yandle unless they take a big contract back since they would fall below the cap floor...and don't say Hemsky or Horcoff. They can't shed salary even if they're losing all the money in the world because of the floor. He's the second best defenseman on the team. Tobias Rieder is barely a C level prospect

No I am not comparing Yandle to Whitney. The value between Yandle and your suggestions of Hall, Yakupov or Klefboom and a 1st is similar to the value between Turris and Whitney.

In other words I am saying I feel the same way about the offer you suggest as you feel about mine about Turris for Whitney.

You admit you don't watch the players, and you make these proposals.
- yaktalksback

it's not even close to teh same value. you need to take off your oiler glasses for a second and realize that there are players worth as much as your "untouchables". jesus, you're almost as bad as cloutier.

since arriving in ottawa, and playing in a top six role (which he never did in phx), turris has put up 35 pts in 54 games, that's about a 55pt pace for a season. that's pretty good numbers and represents a player that actually has value. ryan whitney has ZERO value. your comparison is assinine.

i was suggest trading yandle, a 26 year old, 50pt, allstar d-man, for an unproven 18 year old prospect.

which comparison is more insane........pretty sure it's yours.

Hall, Yakupov, RNH and Eberle aren't playoffs proven, while Yandle pushed a mediocre team with a good system and good D far in the playoffs for the last years.

Oilers kids have potential, all 4 of them could end up top10 in points, but it's potential, not actual talent.
- jdacosta

neither is carey price, so what's his value? or does he have only potential, and not talent.

We shouldn't be trading for anyone who isn't physical and tough regardless of position.

it's not even close to teh same value. you need to take off your oiler glasses for a second and realize that there are players worth as much as your "untouchables". jesus, you're almost as bad as cloutier.

since arriving in ottawa, and playing in a top six role (which he never did in phx), turris has put up 35 pts in 54 games, that's about a 55pt pace for a season. that's pretty good numbers and represents a player that actually has value. ryan whitney has ZERO value. your comparison is assinine.

i was suggest trading yandle, a 26 year old, 50pt, allstar d-man, for an unproven 18 year old prospect.

which comparison is more insane........pretty sure it's yours.
- sensarmy_11

So Sam Gagner

Tobias Rieder is barely a C level prospect
- AdamFrench

So a D+ or C- prospect?

Seriously? How many games did you watch him play?

So a D+ or C- prospect?

Seriously? How many games did you watch him play?
- yaktalksback

Give or take 15, Why?

So Sam Gagner
- Dean_Youngblood

not sure what you're saying. are you suggesting replace whitney with gagner, and compare that value to turris?

if so, then i agree. i think gagner and turris have very similar value. i think that both guys have a very similar game, and have the same potential.

while i dont' feel gagner has teh same value as cloutier does (convinced that clouts feels the oil could trade gagner for crosby straight up), i also don't think he's a bust, as so many other people seem to think.

Give or take 15, Why?
- AdamFrench

Hey, you get my messages?

Give or take 15, Why?
- AdamFrench

You have him as basically no chance of ever playing in the NHL while I see this guy becoming a 2nd liner somewhere in the NHL. Our evaluations are very far apart.

Of course of feel I have to throw my debbie downer dose of reality in, but another team would beat you offer easily for a player like yandle. Of course you know that and just put that in there to get more hits on the blog. damn, why why do I feed into it...

Hey, you get my messages?
- Lahey

For the last time lahey I will not wax your back while you choke yourself in the shower.

Hall, Yakupov, RNH and Eberle aren't playoffs proven, while Yandle pushed a mediocre team with a good system and good D far in the playoffs for the last years.

Oilers kids have potential, all 4 of them could end up top10 in points, but it's potential, not actual talent.
- jdacosta

Galy for Horcoff and Hemsky. 2/3rds of the top line that pushed even further into the playoffs(finals) with a mediocre team.

Galy is a good but not playoff proven either and I know you prefer the proven guys, while I prefer potential. 2 proven for one unproven..you know you want to